| Author | Message | ||
     Smitty |
What about AArons teams actions in the other pit. Destruction of property and from all accounts assault. That was equally irresponsible. edited by smitty on March 08, 2004 | ||
| Jst |
I think it's telling that Suzuki (ASMC) levied the fine and not the AMA. | ||
| Gonen60 |
which means, the money doesn't even come out of yates pocket...most likely | ||
| Cj_xb |
I bet he listens to the message being sent though !! CJ  | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
The AMA hasn't finished its investigation from a blurb on speed world... | ||
| Dullorb |
What's Yate's contract worth? How much does 25k cost him? | ||
| Blake |
"I think it's telling that Suzuki (ASMC) levied the fine and not the AMA." A fine levied by Suzuki certainly does not in any way preclude the impending action by AMAPR. And how could the fine NOT come out of Yate's pocket? You think Yoshimura is going to pay it for him? Think again. Oh the conspiracy theorists. Please. | ||
| Benm2 |
I can't think of a job where you can be fined by your employer, unless your made aware of that possibility up front. Maybe the "fine" is witholding of a bonus payment? I've seen alot of people do stupid things at work, and the ultimate company-levied "fine" has been termination. Ultimately it probably will come "out of his pocket", but maybe by not being put there in the first place? Still, though, what was Miguel's AMA fine for the handful of gravel? Was there one? Who's action was more dangerous? | ||
| Blake |
Exactly! Behave like Yates did at any normal job and one would be FIRED on the spot. Duhamel did a stupid thing and should have been disciplined appropriately. I never can understand the rationale of those that argue against justice for the reason that at some prior point in time justice may not have been adequately dispensed. One word comes to mind... "irrelevant." Do what is right and just, end of story, case closed. | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
In Duhamel's case, didn't he offer amends and apologies for hsi behavior? Also I beleive there was a fine for his actions but it was a quiet deal due to his actions afterwards...I remember Despain making a comment to that effect when someone called in about Yates and brought up Duhamel, but then I was honestly only listening with half an ear and distracted by the computer and its flashy flashy colors and the sound of sliding tires and the scenery passing by on the screen and and and....  | ||
| Rocketman |
Do what is right and just, end of story, case closed. You don't have a clue what was going through Yates's mind at the time of the incident. Whatever punishment, if any, should be bestowed upon Yates it should be after lots of talking between those involved at dealing with such matters. Starting a lynch mob to deal with any unsporting incident is not what's best for the sport. Not everyone will agree so it's best left to those who are there to deal with it and not some racing fan who thinks he knows best, but whatever happens if you're going to ban any rider or driver for 1 race or 1 season it should be for their actions on the track, not off it. On the track Yates is a talented rider. If he chooses to punch someone there are other ways to punish him rather than depriving those who wish to watch racers do battle on the track. Tyson bit some guys ear lobe off. It wasn't just him that got punished, we all did. Like him or not, we could have witnessed the greatest fighter of all time prove that he was just that. In any case, who needs gentleman racers? Rocket | ||
| Blake |
Who needs selfish psychotic violent thug racers? NOT me! | ||
| Lowlife |
The funny thing is, I was in the stands at this race and I had to read this message board to find out what the hell happened. Nobody in the stands on the front stretch of the track could have seen this little scrap without a pair of binoculars. In fact, the only reason I knew yates went down was because the commentator was repeating over the P.A. that "yates is very upset, he is furious" or something like that. Anyhow, can we at least agree that Bostrom would have won that one if his mount didn't grenade? | ||
| Benm2 |
I watched Dale Quarterley take out another privateer at a CLUB RACE, just when contingencies started to change the face of WERA. He t-boned a guy (sliding both wheels, very impressive) while entering the back chicane at Pocono. His behavior during & after the crash was MOST unsportsmanlike. But, sports is NOT the day-to-day job, where physical contact of any kind results in the HR director recommending anger management therapy. And, alot of LAW is built on precedent. (how did the first judge who saw this problem resolve it) Uniformity of Justice is ABSOLUTELY the responsibility of those who have the power to affect it. So, while I may get fired for blatantly endagering someone at work, AMAPR MUST look at how this incident compares with its actions on past incidents. Still, though, Mladin needs to move on. Our best & brightest (um, NOT Yates) will continue to get GP rides, and he will continue to say he's the man. Come to think of it, he IS alot like Foggy. edited by benm2 on March 09, 2004 | ||
| Dynarider |
You don't have a clue what was going through Yates's mind at the time of the incident. Whatever punishment, if any, should be bestowed upon Yates it should be after lots of talking between those involved at dealing with such matters. Starting a lynch mob to deal with any unsporting incident is not what's best for the sport Bullshit. Yates acted like a complete & total ass. He had no idea if the other rider had any serious injuries. Act like that in a "real" job & you would be canned immediately. At my work if you throw a single punch thats it, you are fired. No talking it out, no nothing. I wouldnt tolerate it of my employees & I dont think anyone else should either. I dont see where the sport would be so devastated if Yates was shit canned. Who cares? And how the hell were we all punished by not having to watch that lunatic Tyson? The guy is a 100% wacko who rapes women & should be in prison for life. | ||
| Koz5150 |
AARON YATES SUSPENDED BY AMA PRO RACING PICKERINGTON, Ohio (March 9, 2004) ~ Yoshimura Suzuki rider Aaron Yates has been suspended for one race meet and fined $5,000 by AMA Pro Racing for his actions following an on-track incident with KWS Racing’s Anthony Fania during the Daytona 200 by Arai on Saturday, March 6. In announcing the penalty, AMA Pro Racing Road Race Manager, Ron Barrick stated that Yates’ behavior after the two collided was completely unacceptable. “After carefully reviewing the tapes and interviewing the corner workers and both Mr. Yates and Mr. Fania, we have concluded that the contact that resulted in both riders crashing was an unfortunate racing incident with neither rider specifically at fault,” said Barrick. “However, Yates’ actions after the crash are the reason we are issuing the fine and suspension.” TV video tape, interviews with the riders and interviews with corner workers confirmed that Yates kicked and head-butted Fania immediately after the crash. While it was impossible to discern what each rider said during the exchange, it was apparent that Fania was attempting to walk away from the altercation. Barrick confirmed that Yates’ AMA license is suspended for a period of one AMA Superbike race meet; specifically the California Speedway event scheduled for April 2-4, 2004 in Fontana, California. Yates will not be permitted to compete in any of the races that make up that race meet. Barrick also stated that the $5,000 fine could be reduced by 50% if Yates enters an anger management treatment program, approved by AMA Pro Racing, prior to returning to competition. “Physically assaulting a fellow competitor cannot be tolerated under any circumstance,” said Barrick. “This penalty should indicate how seriously we are taking this matter.” Barrick also noted that AMA Pro Racing continues to investigate the circumstances surrounding the actions of each rider’s crew members following the incident. For immediate post-race results, points, live transponder scoring, in-depth series and rider information, regular columnists and much more, log onto www.USSuperbike.com, the official website of the AMA Chevrolet Superbike Championship. | ||
| Blake |
I can accept that. The precedent argument has merit. | ||
| Koz5150 |
This is really no different from all sports today. People say "I was caught up in the moment" blah blah blah... Well, I think people just need to learn to control themselves or suffer the consquences. I am glad he was suspended and can only hope this sets an example for others. | ||
| Rocketman |
See I don't buy that bull shit Dyna. Anyone throws a punch at work they're fired? Maybe the fork truck driver or the tea boy but not the person that just designed the latest rocket ship to mars. What if Mr Buell thumped one of his staff? You think HD would sack him? One rule for some and another for others. Tyson a rapist? More like America kicks the black man. Rocket | ||
| Dynarider |
You trying to play the race card in an attempt to clear Tyson of the charges he was found guilty of?????? | ||
| Cj_xb |
Bullshit. I can't believe it, but I'm actually in 100% agreement with Dyna on his posts !! Most places of employment WILL fire you over a punch thrown, no questions asked, not sure where Rocket works !! And the comment about Tyson, there is something seriously wrong with someone who thinks like Rocket, and that's just my opinion !! I'm glad to see they did fine Yates, and I don't think the sport would miss anything without him, there is ALWAYS someone who can replace anyone !! CJ | ||
| Bomber |
Rocket -- America kicks a black man? you bet that's happened, and is happening, way too often . . . . but in Tyson's case, America punished a criminal . . . . . really, man, your trolling and jingoism are getting a little old . . . . .. or is it that you really LIKE the idea of football mobs going crazy and killing eachother after a game, and apply the same kind of thinking to everything . . .. .funny coming from a guy that wants to buy the world a Coke, doncha think? | ||
| Ara |
BenM2 - Baseball players have been fined and suspended, and I think a lot of other professional and amature athletes are subject to disciplinary action. I think the AMA let Yates off easy. $5K is nothing, and he already took himself out of contention for the Superbike championship so the one-race suspension doesn't really have an effect. I am a career civilian employee of the U.S. Army, and I can tell you that throwing a single punch is a career ending mistake. I can also assure you that if anybody in the government - military or civilian - had done what Mr. Clinton did, they'd have been escorted off federal property and the paperwork would follow after. Russ | ||
| Benm2 |
Russ, that's the penalty that Yates got, fines & a one-race suspension. There were those who were calling for his immediate lifetime ban from racing, and I was just voicing my opinion that that was over the top. They (AMAPR) couldn't subject him to punishment that exceeded its past actions with regards to equally (or more) unsafe actions. Sorry you think he's taken himself out of contention (before the one race suspension, I think you're referring to). I guess that means that Eric doesn't have a shot either, but I have more trouble swallowing that one. I'd really like to see Eric get the championship. So, if two privates fight in the barracks, they're both out of the military? | ||
| Smitty |
Throwing a punch attacking another employee is grounds for termination at my workplace. Period! edited by smitty on March 10, 2004 | ||
| Dynarider |
Whats a tea boy??? And Rocket at my place it wouldnt matter if its the lowly janitor or the head of a department, you throw a punch & you are history. Why should any of us think that because yates is a racer instead of a person with a "normal" job that he should be afforded special treatment? My own feelings on the subject go like this...act like an asshole at work & I would fire you in a second. Real damn easy to replace you. You think yates cant be replaced? Eventually he will be anyways. I would can any of the big time sports starts who act like jagoffs. T.Owens from the niners, Keyshawn, Tyson, several baseball prima donnas, etc, should all be canned. They have jobs making millions of $$$$ & they persist in acting like asswipes. They have no idea how lucky they are to be where they are. maybe they should show a little gratitude towards their employers & thank them for providing them with the opportunity to play a game & not be stuck in some factory churning out mind numbing parts day in a day out. | ||
| Jst |
What if Mr Buell thumped one of his staff? You think HD would sack him? One rule for some and another for others. WRONG ROCKET! Erik himself would be up on battery charges and his employee would be looking at a fat settlement. IT'S THE AMERICAN WAY!!! | ||
| Rookie |
I was at the race, parked midway through the horseshoe and saw everything that happened. It's a miracle that neither one of them were hurt, it seemed like an eternity waiting for the "other rider" to get up after being dragged down the track......and then, well we know what happened. Yates should thank goodness that there was a fence and security between him and the crowd. | ||
| Shotgun |
Wow, Dyna, you rock man! Like Cj, I agree 100% with your side of the debate. | ||
| Bykergeek |
If I were Don Sakura and Yoshimura, I'd fire his a$$ and take away one of the two A's in his name for acting like a drunken frat brat jerk. What an a$$. |
