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     Mark_weiss |
MSF's brand new Advanced RiderCourse is being run this Sunday, in Denver Colorado. As of this afternoon, there are still a few spaces left open. The new Advanced RiderCourse is for experienced, licensed riders, riding their own motorcycles. The ARC takes riding techniques generally viewed as 'sport bike only' and applies the techniques to all riders and all types of motorcycles. The eight hour class has approximately three hours of classroom and five hours of riding exercises. If you are interested in this class, registration is through ABATE of Colorado (www.abateofcolo.org) Click the 'motorcycle training' tab and look for Advanced RiderCourse. You could also just show up no later than 8 am on Sunday at the Mile High Flea Market and see if there is any room left. Mark from Arizona | ||
| Geforce |
I think this is the same version that MSF has been running for the Military. If so, it is a good course. | ||
| Jaimec |
AFAIK, "ARC" is a trademark of the Lee Parks training curriculum, NOT the MSF. Here in New York State and New England, the course is offered by Christine's Kickstart: http://www.christineskickstart.com/ Tell her I said to say "Hello!" | ||
| Glitch |
AFAIK, "ARC" is a trademark of the Lee Parks training curriculum, NOT the MSF. You are correct sir. I think this is the same version There, fixed that for ya. Looks as though MSF has become part of motorcyclist language. Kind of like Coke has become a word for soda. | ||
| Mark_weiss |
It is a Motorcycle Safety Foundation course. The full name of the new class is: Advanced RiderCourse - Sportbike Techniques. This IS the civilian version of MSF's Military Sportbike RiderCourse. I think that Parks' class is called 'Total Control'. Mark | ||
| Jaimec |
Nope, Parks' course is definitely the ARC: Advanced Rider's Clinic. "Total Control" is the name of the book he wrote. Just as Keith Code teaches California Superbike School, but wrote "Twist of the Wrist." | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
Hey Mark, Do you have a link on what is covered by this course or a class curriculum? I am thinking about getting certified to teach it but I can't make up my mind. I will need to spend 300 bucks to take the update and use 3 vacation days. I don't know how much demand we are going to have for the class in Ohio to justify putting the time and $$$.$$ into it. I like getting the extra info for myself.... I think it makes me a better rider... | ||
| Glitch |
I think maybe you're thinking of Total Rider Tech http://www.totalridertech.com, they teach the Advanced Rider's Clinic by Lee Parks. Maybe? | ||
| Macdiver |
THe link is pretty clear. This is an MSF course titled Advanced Rider Course - Sportbike techniques. I have copied the description from the website below. LOCATIONS - Additional Riding Course ADVANCED RIDER COURSE - SPORTBIKE TECHNIQUE Cost is $150 Based on the Military SportBike RiderCourse, this one-day course is for experienced riders who desire to learn and practice more in-depth riding techniques. Classroom activities use small group discussions and interactive activities to address personal risk management strategies; to discuss options for cornering, braking and swerving; and to improve visual perception to identify collision traps. On-cycle range exercises provide practice in cornering, braking and swerving. There is no skill test in this course. Lee Parks also calls his course ARC. I do not know if there is any trademarks on ARC by either MSF or Lee Parks. I was not aware that ABATE offered training. I only think of ABATE as a lobbying organization. | ||
| Mark_weiss |
I think that there was information on the ARC-ST in one of the recent MSF e-News editions. Basically, the course is the Military Sportbike RiderCourse with the classroom material adjusted to a wider audience. The exercises focus on braking, swerving, and a lot of cornering. Classroom time addresses the same issues with a HUGE emphasis on rider decision making. The class today was the first class of civilians to graduate from the class. They had a good time and learned a lot. Mark in Arizona | ||
| Dhalen32 |
The MSF Advanced RiderCourse - Sportbike Techniques (ARC-ST) is identical to the Military Sportbike RiderCourse (MSRC) except for the introduction and course closing DVD segments featuring Nick Ienatsch or Ben Spies. I haven't actually seen the DVD yet so I don't know for sure who we get to listen to speak but I have heard both names mentioned. The MSRC also includes a written test to satisfy the military hierarchy on a quantifiable measure of competence as well as a spiral bound riding tips take-away booklet for the student. A pocket guide for their tank bag so to speak. The MSRC was released first last year and is mandatory for all Navy and Marine sportbike riders. The Army also was involved with the MSF in it's development. I am not really sure what requirements the Army has imposed on its sportbike riders regarding the class. The ARC-ST followed with its release this year. I was trained on the ARC-ST course earlier this year but I have not yet received my printed materials indicating that it actually is in production. I'm pretty sure that last weekend's Colorado event was conducted using the same draft materials we used in Washington in March. For those of you who do not know Mark Weiss well, he was deeply involved with these two course's still-born ancestor, the MSF Skill Enhancement RiderCourse (SERC), that unfortunately never made it into production. A number of the exercises in the MSRC/ARC-ST are very much like those I learned from Mark and his fellow curriculum developers a few years ago in Texas. Mark, you guys should be proud of what you did. The final product is pretty good if not exactly what you and the others came up with for SERC. Wayne Steele, Cathy Rimm and I will be conducting three MSRC CC courses next month for the Air Force in Omaha. Cathy sold the Air Force on a three class blitz when I asked for permission to become MSRC certified and use the base's range to conduct my own certification classes because the base Safety Officer was tired of waiting for something from the Air Force. Dave | ||
| Mark_weiss |
Dave, Some of the SERC made it into the MSRC/ARC-ST. Much of the rest should appear in the future 'Expert Techniques' course. The ARC-ST is a good step from the current Experienced RiderCourses. The ARC acknowledges that there are many subtleties to riding and that individuals may differ from what has become MSF's standard methods. Mark | ||
| Babired |
Hey guys I think Lee Parks is TCARC. Most of the bases in Maryland run the MSF ARC and I know I lady who was certified in it last year, she is a rider coach trainer and a close friend. I've seen some of the range exercises at a state update. TCARC is more advanced but can be done on cruisers as well. I did TCARC instructor school last month with 3 other Bad webbers and saw Lee Parks riding a Road Glide with his knee down on the ground in a circle without dragging any parts of the bike, it was incredible. K | ||
| Babired |
Maryland bought 2 Honda Smart Trainers for training this year and that was the highlight of the Instructor State update. They are going to use them as a part of the the very beginnings, like a pre-course example of the BRC. K | ||
| Jaimec |
I know of at least ONE NYS MSF RiderCoach who got completely humbled at the Lee Parks course. He took the course with Christine Firehock (mentioned her school earlier with a link) and insisted there was no way to drag a knee on his Valkyrie. Christine hopped on his Valkyrie and did EXACTLY as described above (with Lee Parks on the Road Glide). I may have to take that course some day, but right now it costs the same as the track schools... and I have TOO much fun on the track. Actually, the one course I am REALLY interested in trying is the school founded by Larry Grodsky. That school isn't much more expensive than a track school, and it combines learning with a vacation! Anyone here ever try it? http://www.stayinsafe.com/ | ||
| Babired |
I'm a HUGE fan of Stayin safe back in 2005 I almost became in instructor for them. The class down in the Natural Bridge area is wonderful. I was totally humbled by Lee Parks during instructor training, I thought I was picky telling student to "TURN YOUR HEAD!" Lee Parks was cracking me on this all the way thru the class. I did drag my knee on the ULY, and I never thought I would  My next school will be... http://www.cornerspeed.net/ |
