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Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Thursday, April 16, 2009 - 09:09 pm: | 
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As long as we are having a straight up "fight", I LOVE to debate ideas.
Now using the singular arguments of some unknown foe to besmirch those who hold conservative views isn't really a straight up fight, is it?
Call them out. Post a link to the original thread and let's have at it. |
Old_man
| | Posted on Thursday, April 16, 2009 - 09:10 pm: |
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I know WHY the tread got moved.
They accomplished it most easily.
The facts of that case must surely be a thorn in the side of those here who spout the same inane rhetoric as that 2 bit murderer.
Those are the ones who got it moved.
Not you.
After all "those cops had it coming." |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Thursday, April 16, 2009 - 09:34 pm: |
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OM,
I didn't even open the thread. I knew by the title it wouldn't end well and didn't bother to participate.
I didn't see much debate going on in the thread. I saw virtually NO facts to support any position.
You have posted several times your stances on guns. We understand your stance.
The article supported your position as you saw it.
There wasn't much to "defend" about what happened.
The problem was the supposition of the entire thread and the inferred cause and effect. |
Cyclonedon
| | Posted on Thursday, April 16, 2009 - 09:56 pm: |
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We ALL ought to be able to agree to disagree, and we ALL ought to be able to debate a subject - be it politics, religion, or (heaven forbid) motorcycles - in a mature, respectful manner.
YES YES YES! "heaven forbid" motorcycles!
now let's get back to talking about politics and not those damn motorcycles |
Chellem
| | Posted on Thursday, April 16, 2009 - 11:27 pm: |
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Right or left, whatever someone CALLS someone, or some network, the coverage of these events was horribly, horribly slanted by those who disagreed with the concept.
What's wrong with that? The NEWS is supposed to be UNBIASED. Some of the clips they showed (ok, yes, on Fox News) of the coverage was, frankly, embarrassing. They were dismissive, even openly hostile, to the thousands of citizens peacefully expressing their dissatisfaction with the current state of government.
The peaceful assembly of citizens to express a viewpoint is ESSENTIAL to America. If people don't assemble and tell their elected officials how they feel, the elected officials simply bow to whomever gives them the most money, i.e. lobbyists.
And for the bulk of the media to either shut out all coverage, or, even worse, to mock these AMERICAN citizens expressing themselves is reprehensible.
No matter what your opinion is about taxes, tea parties or right-wing conspiracies, everyone should be offended at how it was covered. Because tomorrow it might be YOUR cause.
->ChelleM |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Thursday, April 16, 2009 - 11:54 pm: |
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I'm pretty sure the "gun nut" thread got moved for lack of politeness, not vile partisan politics, ( on the part of the moderators ) or pornographic content. Not at all a knock on the originator of a thread if it goes awry, as in the arguments get personal etc. Many voices make a sour chorus, sometimes.
Now, Old_man, I think your position on gun control, ( please correct me if I'm wrong ) is that some rational controls are needed, though I'm not sure that we'd draw the lines the same place, ( the placement of those lines could be a good discussion ) but I certainly don't want my neighbor to have plutonium. ( with rare exceptions ) I'm just unsure of your level of discrimination in allowing the government to determine your sanity in regards to violating your rights. Current trends in media propaganda concern me.
The loss of our police brothers who were murdered in the line of duty, ( and I hear in one case off duty, but still willing ) is vile thing, and anyone who cheers that on is despicable. I vaguely recall some comments from others that I found tasteless, but such are actually uncommon here on badweb, and if they offended you, I'm sorry though I cannot speak for others.
That said, everyone cool off, quit calling names, and resume the search for wisdom with us. ( and please keep this from becoming a gay marriage thread or a discussion of....shudder.... OKRA! ) |
Jerry_haughton
| | Posted on Friday, April 17, 2009 - 07:12 am: |
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I'm pretty sure the "gun nut" thread got moved for lack of politeness, not vile partisan politics, ( on the part of the moderators )...
100% true. The thread got moved by ONE moderator (me), and had nothing to do with my political opinions, or my opinion of LEO's in general (which, for the record, is VERY high).
Not at all a knock on the originator of a thread if it goes awry...
Also true.
FB |
Chellem
| | Posted on Friday, April 17, 2009 - 08:59 am: |
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Well, I tried to move the thread back to the original line, but, oh well.
After I posted the news article about the three murdered officers here.
And the right wing zealots attacked it as crap.
I realized that some of the Looney Tunes are going to make my postings a political matter regardless.
I went back to the dreaded Backfire Board to read the comments.
Look, right or wrong, disagree or whatever, that subject line was inflammatory and provocative. The guy was a nut, no doubt about it, but to throw "Gun Nut" in the subject means that people who click on it are already riled up. I don't know if you did that on purpose or not, only you know that.
And for the record, the "right wing gun nut" newschannel, fox news, spent lots of time supporting the cops and saying how messed up the shooter was. They support cops. Bill O'Reilly had as a guest the person who was starting the protest at the funeral, and he tore him up. (Not that the guy was particularly a brain-trust in any way.)
The guy was nuts. If he was, say, adopted, and THAT was why he went crazy, would the subject line have read Crazy Adopted Guy shoots cops? No. Because that wouldn't have made sense.
His political affiliations aside, the guy was a nut job. Gun nut, violence nut, video game nut, unibomber, etc. They all have one thing in common, and it isn't their political affiliation or their love of guns.
They're all NUT JOBS.
That memo someone posted about how right-wing people are threatening the safety of Americans - no, not the Government authorized one, the little editorial article - perfectly displays what I'm afraid of. The author of that article was also nuts, just in a more subtle way.
I support cops, and generally give them the benefit of the doubt if at all possible. Like with every job, and every group of people, some are assholes. The problem with cops being assholes is that they're armed.
So are criminals.
And so I don't want to be the only one without a gun. I hope that doesn't make me a "gun nut". Never really was clear on what the definition of that term is.
->ChelleM |
Liquorwhere
| | Posted on Friday, April 17, 2009 - 09:14 am: |
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Tea-ed off: Yesterday's tea parties Posted: Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:16 AM by Mark Murray
Filed Under: Republicans, Economy
Per the New York Post, "Tens of thousands of protesters -- some dressed in colonial wigs with tea bags hanging from their eyeglasses -- staged boisterous protests modeled after the Boston Tea Party all around the country yesterday, rallying against financial bailouts and the Obama administration's tax and spending plans."
“The hundreds of grassroots events staged around the nation to protest America's tax burden showcased successful efforts by conservatives to mobilize thousands of participants via Facebook, Twitter and other social media outlets. Liberals once dominated that realm,” the Washington Times adds.
The New York Times: “It was hard to determine from the moderate turnout just how effective the parties would be. In Philadelphia, a rally in Center City drew about 200 rain-soaked participants… In Pensacola, Fla., about 500 protesters lined a busy street, some waving ‘Don’t Tread on Me’ flags and carrying signs reading ‘Got Pork?’ and ‘D.C.: District of Corruption.’ In Austin, Tex., Gov. Rick Perry energized a crowd of about 1,000 by accusing the Obama administration of restricting states’ rights and vaguely suggesting that Texas might want to secede from the union.”
The AP has more on what Perry said. “Later, answering news reporters' questions, Perry suggested Texans might at some point get so fed up they would want to secede from the union, though he said he sees no reason why Texas should do that. ‘There's a lot of different scenarios,’ Perry said. ‘We've got a great union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that. But Texas is a very unique place, and we're a pretty independent lot to boot.’”
The Washington Post covers the DC tea party in Lafayette Square near the White House. “First, a truck was to dump a million bags of tea onto tarps in Lafayette Square. But it ran into permit trouble and was turned away. Then rally organizers showed up outside the Treasury Department. But authorities told them they lacked proper permission and could not set up a stage there. Then it started to rain. Next, somebody threw a box of tea over the White House fence, and the police evacuated the park.”
The Post’s Milbank has more on the DC protest. “Without the spectacle of a 1773-style tea-bag dump in the square, the handmade signs became the focus of the event. Though ostensibly an anti-tax protest, it was more of an anti-Obama festival. Among the messages: ‘The Audacity of the Dope,’ ‘O Crap’ and Obama as an acronym for ‘One Big Awful Mistake America.’ Some messages were ugly (‘Napolitano -- Obama's Gestapo Queen,’ ‘Hang 'Em High Traitors,’ and a sign held by a young girl saying ‘Victim of Child Tax Abuse’). Others were funny (‘Don't Talk to Me! I Forgot My Teleprompter’). Certain ones had sinister overtones (‘Tax Slavery Sucks,’ and ‘Obama bin Lyin’). Then there was the guy holding a Cabbage Patch doll by its hair with the message: ‘My kid's growth stunted by your stimulus.’”
According to Salon’s Mike Madden, the protests “drew a mixture of the conservative base, Ron Paul zealots, libertarians and assorted others who are dead certain that Obama's administration is taking the country into socialism -- or worse.”
and the link:
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/04/16/ 1894678.aspx |
Oldog
| | Posted on Friday, April 17, 2009 - 01:25 pm: |
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put a turd on a glass plate with a doily under it, frost it and put sprinkles on it,
its still a turd. Kinda like the current administration
}But did you TRY it with old bay?
Err no
You say Good on Pop corn hmmmm I am going to try that I have some old bay at home,
I will skip the turd test, you know what would happen If i did that,
why Id be a "S**T eating ol dog"
or worse yet if it worked you'd have "some realy good S**T"}
do you butter the corn and then add old bay
wonder how good it is on okra?????
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Chellem
| | Posted on Friday, April 17, 2009 - 02:11 pm: |
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Oh yes, real melted butter then old bay and a little salt.
The butter helps the old bay stick.
Freakin' awesome.
We're talking popcorn, by the way. Not the other thing with the sprinkles.
I just want to be clear. :P
->ChelleM |
Oldog
| | Posted on Friday, April 17, 2009 - 02:43 pm: |
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I dont eat that Margerine stuff ever see what it does to pop corn?
Eeeeeewwwwww, yes land o lakes butta |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Friday, April 17, 2009 - 06:03 pm: |
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Odd how "conservative" gatherings are quantified with EXACT numbers of attendees whereas "liberal" events are nearly always characterized by "about", "over", "nearly" descriptors as to attendance.
Why are "conservative" events described as "anti-Obama" and "liberal" events are described as "anti-war" in-spite of the multitude of negative Bush signs that are significantly less polite than anything seen Wednesday.
More obvious liberal press bias.
The press officially dies in 2008. |
Johnnymceldoo
| | Posted on Friday, April 17, 2009 - 07:59 pm: |
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Its absolutely amazing to me that people are repeating and believing that these events were spawned and attended by racist bigots and that was the main driving force.
Read your major news and visit the democrat underground dot come if you dont believe me. |
M1combat
| | Posted on Friday, April 17, 2009 - 08:23 pm: |
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From what I hear there's another party planned for July 4... |
Cityxslicker
| | Posted on Friday, April 17, 2009 - 08:30 pm: |
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You say you want a Revolution? 
Flew into Philadelphia via DC
Didn't get to bed last night
Oh, the way the paige was on their knees
Man, I had a dreadful flight
I'm Barack in the USSA
You don't know how lucky you are, boy
Barack in the USSA, yeah
Been away so long I hardly knew the place
Gee, it's good to be back home
Leave it till tomorrow to unpack my case
Honey disconnect the phone
I'm Barack in the USSA
You don't know how lucky you are, boy
Barack in the US
Barack in the US
Barack in the USSA
Well the Beltway goons really knock me out
They leave the west behind
And Maddoff schemes make me sing and shout
The Bail-outz always on my my my my my my my my my mind
Oh, come on
Hu Hey Hu, hey, ah, yeah
yeah, yeah, yeah
I'm Barack in the USSA
You don't know how lucky you are, boys
Barack in the USSA
Well the Network girls really knock me out
They leave the news behind
And Congress make me sing and shout
The Bail-outz always on my my my my my my my my my mind
Oh, show me round your show piqued
popparazzi way down south
Take your daddy's farm
Let me hear you Twitters ringing out
Come and keep your Komrade warm
I'm Barack in the USSA
Hey, You don't know how lucky you are, boy
Barack in the USSA
Oh, let me tell you honey |
Dalton_gang
| | Posted on Friday, April 17, 2009 - 09:50 pm: |
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I just loaded my pics from the St. Louis Tea Party and wanted to share a couple.
One report said that a few hundred people showed up but it was more like 7,000 to 8,000 by my estimate.
It was a great event and I was glad to have participated in it. Unfortunately I think it`s going to take at least one or two more protests before we gain the recognition that we deserve from the press and from D.C.
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