| Author | Message | ||
     Ezblast |
I keep looking over the specks and on paper in the twisties it seems to me that the 9 should beat the CR - opinions? EZ | ||
| Greenlantern |
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| Xl1200r |
Not sure... I know that all RPMs above 3000, the 1125R I rode pulled harder than my XB12, so pulling out of a corner would go to the 1125. They both have the same front end geometry, but the 1125 gets a little better lean angles. I'm not sure if the extra 2.5" in wheelbase would effect it that much or not. | ||
| Reepicheep |
The CR is lighter and more powerful then the 9, right? So for equal really good riders, the CR should be faster. But using that power in tight twisties takes a LOT of talent, and somebody willing to take a lot of risk. The 9, being having less, is probably more comfortable to do more on (and so you can do a little more). Both bikes are good enough that the faster rider is probably the faster bike (whichever they happen to be on). I think the 9 would be "funner", as you use most of it most of the time and can feel like a hero. The 1125 would be at less then half throttle nearly the entire time, making you feel like a whimp. My KLR-250 was *stupid* fun through deals gap. No brakes, no power, no drama, smooth lines and lots of speed carried through corners. | ||
| Ezblast |
Sigh - power has nothing to do with what I'm talking about - the CR's torque line is linear, if the 12's was as linear - there would be no difference there, however the curve can be adjusted to be more linear with some tweeks - you put those two bikes on a road like hwy35 in Bay area Ca and it looks like the 9 would slowly walk away - of course my Blast would walk away from both;0) - still - hmmm - what advantage does the CR hold over the 9 - besides power - I see none. EZ | ||
| Xl1200r |
Power, lean angles and weight. If the torque is linear for both machine, but the CR has more, how can that not be factored in? (Message edited by xl1200r on July 31, 2008) | ||
| Not_purple_s2 |
Some have said that the 1125R felt more sorted and handled better than the XB's so it might have a slight handling advantage. I have not test rode one yet so I can't offer my own opinion. | ||
| Bud |
put a super bikebar on the CR.. had a very hard time taking over 1125R on black hawk farm with a xb12scg, only out braking and very early on the gas in the corners i could over take on i would say it all in the driver | ||
| Not_purple_s2 |
everything is just conjecture until the CR hits the showrooms and Demo Days. I'm sure that the changes in geometry, gearing, and ergonomics are going to make the CR handle at least a little bit different than the 1125R. | ||
| Greenlantern |
On the flip side I do not see any disadvantage either. It basically comes down to riders preference. There will be a lot of riders who feel more comfortable with the extra oomph and wheelbase the CR carries with the negligible trade off of tight quarters handling. To those with the skills this would be no trade off at all. Imo you can't loose with either choice. I would rather have the 9 than the CR in city traffic situations because that is where it truly shines with only the Blast showing it up. ( We are talking Buell of course) On the open highway, that oomph the CR brings would not be unwelcome by any means But you wouldn't miss it if did not have it in the first place! Myself? My 12Ss Is all the bike I could ask for in any situation I encounter. Doesn't mean it was the best choice I could of made out of the line up, Just the one I ended up making. Advantage does not always sell products. If that was the case I would be typing this opinion on a Amiga while watching a Technicolor movie on my Betamax.  | ||
| Cityxslicker |
I KNOW the 9 will run off road better | ||
| Ezblast |
You guys think power is the answer to bad riding tech. - its not, I've left plenty of riders on hwy 9 and hwy 35 behind and by the rides end had enough time for a smoke waiting for the superbikes - if I ever step up to a larger bike it had better be able to handle - so far it seems the 9 has it. EZ | ||
| Xl1200r |
I don't think anyone said that power is the answer to anything. All that's being said is that it is possible for that extra power to make the bike faster in the proper hands. Your post asked for opinions and that's what you're getting. My opinion is that compared to the XB9, a bike such as the CR with MORE lean angle, MORE power, LESS weight, the same front end geometry (but with better forks), and a nominally longer swingarm by 2.5" would not have any disadvantage in the twisties, and in the right hands would be the quicker machine. You say you see no advantage going to CR - what advantage do you see going to 9 that would allow it "slowly walk away"? | ||
| Hexangler |
I'm diggin' the CR. | ||
| Ezblast |
lean angles are practically the same, the bike is actually heavier when fueled up, and yes a longer swing arm is a disadvantage. Larger forks do not mean better. EZ (Message edited by ezblast on July 31, 2008) | ||
| Greenlantern |
Paper is wood pulp with stuff scribbled on it. Why not wait until the CR is available, test ride one and then form your own informed opinion and have fun in the process?  | ||
| Ezblast |
Well they have the 1125R - there should be some ability to compare using it. EZ | ||
| Ezblast |
I'm not trying to start a flame war, I'm just really curious - the 1125 is a great start to get into racing and be reliable also - from a racing stand point - however, as a street bike whose main job would be running back roads, goat trails and general twisties - I want the best handling - so power doesn't really add into it - all Buells are great handling and you couldn't go wrong with any of them, but the one more focused for the job at hand is what I'm wondering about. EZ | ||
| Xl1200r |
lean angles are practically the same 42 is less than 48. | ||
| Buellerthanyou |
If you haven't ridden an 1125, do so. They're awesome in a corner, even tight ones! I rode an 1125R model back to back with my XB12R at Motorsport Ranch (pretty tight track) last year and was significantly faster through the corners on the 1125R. Even after cajoling the on-hand Buell engineers into helping me make sure my XB was properly set up for my weight (it wasn't initially) and with the 1125R suspension set up for a much lighter rider, I was amazed at how easy it was to go faster around a corner on the 1125. Very confidence inspiring. I think with the optional upright bars on the CR, it will be even better. I can't wait to find out! HellBuelly J | ||
| Xl1200r |
but the one more focused for the job at hand is what I'm wondering about. I would say that the XB9R or XB12R would be the most "focused" for twisties. You get all of the pluses with the City-X, but you also get a riding position better for this kind of riding (for me, anyways). But I still think a well-ridden 1125 will be faster  | ||
| Hexangler |
They both have the same size tires, so the race might be close. I think they need wider rims on the CR, and then you might see better results. | ||
| Ezblast |
Yeah - I kind of wish they had kept the 9R for 08, those updates are critical in my mind, though with the 9City, I could just switch out to the CR's bars, and R rearsets - and that would do the R's job. HellB - what do you think made the 1125 faster for you? EZ | ||
| Reepicheep |
It would if you were on an 1125 in a tight corner at 9000 RPM and whacked the throttle. Look! I can flyyyyyyy! Once. Not impossible on a 9 either, but a lot harder. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Oh, and at Mid Ohio, on either the straights or the tight sections, I was faster on an 1125R after 5 miles of familiarity then I was on an XB9SX in 20,000 miles of familiarity. The seating position was better set up for aggressive riding, though less comfort and with worse visibility. The tires were far better (but far shorter lived), and the suspension was much better. The power didn't hurt either, for a given corner exit, when I got to the "stand it up and pull the trigger", the 1125 had more power available. Both bikes, on the track, well outperformed anything I would ever consider doing on the street. So in either case, the faster bike is the one with the rider willing to take the most risks and break the most laws. | ||
| Ezblast |
With all due respect - not true, or Buells would never win. EZ | ||
| Gentleman_jon |
Many people who have ridden both an XB and an 1125R at the many trackdays offered by Buell have observed that the new models seem to handle better. When I asked John Flickinger, President of Buell, about this at the most recent Homecoming, he said he agreed, and felt the the reasons water cooled bike handled better were the following: 1. More refined frame. 2. Better sorted suspension 3. Rigid mounting of engine frame and swing arm 4. The fact that the new engine has smaller flywheels and thus less gyroscopic action, making it easier to initiate a turn. I was surprised to hear number 4, but it makes sense, doesn't it? | ||
| Ezblast |
Yes it does - definitely something new to think about - thank you. EZ | ||
| Danny_h__jesternut |
This is all verrry entertaining an so very subjective, but the best Buell ever made for pure back road bliss was a TUBER. The 97 M2 Clone. For that mater any TUBER. No need for any thing more. Any thing made after 02 is useless. | ||
| Ezblast |
lol |
