| Author |
Message |
    
Danger_dave
| | Posted on Sunday, May 11, 2008 - 04:28 pm: | 
|
I'm a journalist for a reputable magazine that takes Buell and Ducati advertising. ;-P
I did 2 days on the 1125R. Some of it in outback conditions.
Noticed no heat at all. None.
Also noted very little vibration. I was actually impressed by the smoothness of the motor for a big twin.
Taking issue with a cooling fan is just plain stupid.
(Message edited by danger_dave on May 11, 2008) |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Sunday, May 11, 2008 - 09:06 pm: |
|
quote:I had that hot-seat issue on my Duck that was as simple as installing a reflective fiberglass shield to the seat pan ($10)
Are you saying that Ducati is incapable or unwilling to adding a $10 part to a $13,000 bike to solve a common and simple problem? |
Turnagain
| | Posted on Sunday, May 11, 2008 - 09:55 pm: |
|
someone should also tell them they've got a heahlight out:
sorry.. |
Danger_dave
| | Posted on Sunday, May 11, 2008 - 10:48 pm: |
|
Photo also shows how small the Ducati is.
The 1125R can accommodate non-midgets too. |
Bigblock
| | Posted on Monday, May 12, 2008 - 12:58 am: |
|
848;s been getting around some tracks with some riders quicker than 1098'S, MAYBE THEY WERE AFRAID TO TEST THE 1125 AGAINST THE 1098...
 |
Jimidan
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 01:23 pm: |
|
}Are you saying that Ducati is incapable or unwilling to adding a $10 part to a $13,000 bike to solve a common and simple problem?
It would appear so. On mine, I have an after-market exhaust system and a CF seat pan, so it was kinda thin. But it was an easy fix.
I could ask the question about the 1125R:
Are you saying that Buell is unable or unwilling to make a $12,000 bike that is all metric rather than one that is mix-and-match which has SAE fasteners on it? |
Spike
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 01:32 pm: |
|
quote:Are you saying that Buell is unable or unwilling to make a $12,000 bike that is all metric rather than one that is mix-and-match which has SAE fasteners on it?
Are you saying that designing an all metric bike would only cost $10? |
Jimidan
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 09:08 am: |
|
Are you saying that designing an all metric bike would only cost $10?
No. I was just asking the question. I don't know what it would cost...do you? |
Jimidan
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 09:53 am: |
|
848;s been getting around some tracks with some riders quicker than 1098'S, MAYBE THEY WERE AFRAID TO TEST THE 1125 AGAINST THE 1098...
That very well may be true that the 848's would be faster than the 1098 on the tighter small Willow Springs track. I would not think that Cycle World would be "afraid" to test the 1125R against the 1098. They gave their reasons for the comparison that they made...which seemed to make sense to me...but I need therapy!
Really, it is kind of an apples and oranges thing to compare a purpose built street bike against off-the-shelf race bikes, like the Ducs. Buell was kinda asking for it though with their advertising showing the 1125R on the racetracks with racer McWilliams standing at the ready.
I think that the 1125R does very well performance wise against these well-sorted race-bred machines. It is apparent that a well-sorted 1125R in race trim can compete against and even beat them as well.
That was not my point though.} |
Jlnance
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 10:07 am: |
|
Are you saying that Buell is unable or unwilling to make a $12,000 bike that is all metric rather than one that is mix-and-match which has SAE fasteners on it?
My understanding is that the only SAE fasteners on the 1125r are the ones for parts shared in common with the XBs (which I think is just the wheels?) Being able to bolt on XB wheels is a nice feature. Personally I think using SAE fasteners to make that possible is a win. If I only owned metric tools, I might have a different viewpoint. |
Spike
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 10:55 am: |
|
quote:No. I was just asking the question. I don't know what it would cost...do you?
You asked it in parry to the question of why Ducati didn't implement a $10 fix on a $13,000 bike.
The implication of the original question is that if the fix for the hot-seat was really only $10, Ducati would have implemented it on their $13,000 motorcycle. Since they did not implement that fix, it's reasonable to assume that the fix is not as simple as $10 heat shield.
Asking the question about the 1125R and metric hardware in parry to the original question implies that making an all metric 1125R would be simple and cheap--on the same level as a $10 heat shield. It is neither simple nor cheap, so the return question comes across as merely a redirection and not an actual answer. |
Jimidan
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 11:20 am: |
|
So, with your misdirection and "reasonable" inferences aside, I guess that means you don't know how much it would cost to make it all metric either?
 |
Jimidan
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 11:27 am: |
|
Personally I think using SAE fasteners to make that possible is a win. If I only owned metric tools, I might have a different viewpoint.
That is a view that I had not yet considered, and I will concede that point...
Although, for someone who travels on their bike it may not be such a "win" situation, as carrying two set of tools can be a bit cumbersome in the tight confines where space is at a premium. Hey, I know, because I travel on my S2 and HAVE to do it.
One might think that on a brand new motorcycle designed from the rider down, that such an inconvenience may have been given more consideration.
Maybe on next years revamped model...} |
Spike
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 12:56 pm: |
|
quote:So, with your misdirection and "reasonable" inferences aside, I guess that means you don't know how much it would cost to make it all metric either?
Nice try. We both know it would cost way more than $10 to develop a bike using only metric hardware. The lack of a specific dollar amount does not equate to a misdirection.
But you can still use the fun smilies if it makes you feel better. |
Blake
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 01:01 pm: |
|
Happily, every new 1125R includes a tool kit.
I doubt that the fairly large wheel/axle hardware is similarly sized to any metric hardware on the bike; if not, then the requisite wheel tools don't add a single extra piece to an on-board tool kit. |
Jayvee
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 03:11 pm: |
|
Metrinch !
http://www.mitools.com/ |
Ferris_von_bueller
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 04:07 pm: |
|
Considering Buell sources parts from all over the world, I would assume it's cost prohibitive to spec metric fasteners for parts sourced in America where production equipment is already set-up to produce products in SAE. I must concur it is frustrating switching back and forth when servicing. |
Danger_dave
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 08:35 pm: |
|
OT - I grew up with SAE and converted to metric because I had to.
Having lived with both systems: Bad luck America, thinking in 10s is just soooo much easier. |
Jayvee
| | Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 12:39 am: |
|
Hey at least it isn't Whitworth |
Danger_dave
| | Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 01:10 am: |
|
or BSPF UNC UNF etc etc etc.
M10 or nuts! |
Jlnance
| | Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 08:14 am: |
|
as carrying two set of tools can be a bit cumbersome in the tight confines where space is at a premium.
That is similar to my sentiments about having to carry Torx, Allen, Philips, and whatever a standard screwdriver is called. I feel your pain.  |
Jlnance
| | Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 08:19 am: |
|
Having lived with both systems: Bad luck America, thinking in 10s is just soooo much easier.
I often wonder who it was that decided it was a good idea to express the size of SAE tools in reduced fractions. Lets see, one size up from 23/64's is uh .... |
