| Author | Message | ||
     Rocketman |
yet he ceaselessly belittles any accomplishment or advancement the factory makes There someone goes again who can't read. I only belittle the bullshit claims the factory or its fans make. There's a huge difference. Rocket | ||
| Garrett2 |
i agree, buell didnt make teh frame, hes telling the truth on that. i think its cool buell is USING the frame and one of the first to do so, but rocket is telling the truth on that. i didnt read anything other than this page, i dont have that much time on my hands haha | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
again correct me if i am wrong..but..isnt the goal of badweb....to keep badweb alive and active...600 some odd posts on one topic beats the hell out of a lot of other forums...good or bad those numbers would attract advertising wouldnt they...some say theres no such thing as bad press just dont spell my name wrong....controversy is one of the things that makes for an active discussion...kinda like sex and violence sell for news .... | ||
| Doerman |
You know.. I think you're on to something there Molly_h... Let's take this a step further.. I think Blake could get his corporate jet yet if he were to sell this thread to some Hollywood corporation - TV or film. They have the writers strike going and there's a lot of good material in this thread alone for a bunch of shows.  | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Thanks Reep, Thanks Molly, see that is what I am talking about. Now today was the first nice sunny bright day out there in the PNW, I hope that you all had a chance to ride. I throw down the gauntlet every year. :If you think that you can build a bike of equal or better performance/style/handling/(chrome if you are a cruiser cowboy) better than Milwaukee/ E. Troy; Go to it. Have fun, create the bike that you want, I know that it will not end up being less money to build, you wont have the warranty, the factory/dealer support, or a necessarily a sufficient business model to compete with Buell/H-D. YOU WILL however have a bike that you know every nut, fastener, tech spec and shortcoming of, and the pride of build. If you can make it better, stronger, leaner, meaner, do it. (PS keep the patents as you go) Have fun, keep us posted on the build. | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
yes im sure this would make a dandy soap opera...or maybe a game show...rocket says what ? ...oooh...see rocket that fellas found u a new career...we look forward to seeing u on leno...ooorrr something  . i got to ride lots today the bike is dirty as hell now but i feel much better...been takin little trips around town throughout the rain and snow but i got to flog the bitch so im feelin good. | ||
| Dbird29 |
Blake says do not feed the trolls. (Message edited by dbird29 on January 14, 2008) | ||
| Rocketman |
No but that is what Badweb folks do, look out for each other. And at what point have you bestowed this wonderful gift on me? Past or present, shit head? Rocket | ||
| Dbird29 |
Blake says do not feed the trolls. (Message edited by dbird29 on January 14, 2008) | ||
| Buellfighter |
High sixties here in Texas and been out all day Sat. on the KX and all day today on the S1 and just now turned on the puter to see what's up on BadWeb and can see this thread is still as $&!%#^ as the day it started. I know I know, if ya don't like it than don't read it. But damn! | ||
| Blake |
I didn't read Steve's statements re the ablative casting as claiming Buell invented it or was the first to use it. You no read good. | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
rocket i think the man was trying to tell u that love or hate when u need something someone here would be willing to help u...i dont know u from adam ..but if u needed something i had i would help u...so would a lot of others here...no need to call the man a ••••••••...i would like to think that if u had to u would help him too...tell me im wrong. | ||
| Rocketman |
After a long winded technical post where Mr Slaughter points out the 1125 frame is manufactured in Illinois and not Italy, and Slaughter goes on further to quote some professor doohickey somewhere, one could easily be forgiven for thinking Buell were now manufacturing their own frames. What cements such is Slaughters next post which appears to imply without question Buell invented the casting technology involved in 1125 frame manufacture. "So you see - not the FIRST time that Buell technology beats the Aerospace/Defense business! " That I know this to be utter rubbish is not a slight toward Buell, but an effort to point out the inaccuracy of such twaddle to those who are not perhaps as well inform as my good self. Yet you persist in calling me "arrogant and ignorant", and told my comments are belittling against Buell. That's the behaviour of a smart custodian is it? Or would you rather Buell just get away with a lie perpetrated by one of their fans? Rocket (Message edited by rocketman on January 14, 2008) | ||
| Rocketman |
Molly, would you help out a person who's rammed Coke bottles up your arse in public for a week? Regardless, I do believe there was an olive branch in my very next post......... Is that a breakthrough in our relationship? Great. About time. but still the tirade continues, and I'm told to shut the f**k up too. I do believe my number is also on the RAN page. Rocket | ||
| Slaughter |
Maybe I should clarify for those who may still be reading and who aren't pre-disposed to make their own conclusions: TECHNOLOGY is DIFFERENT than the USE of said technology. I could name Aerospace and Defense companies who do NOT do castings, do NOT do forgings, who do NOT do electronics,who do NOT build engines... yet they continue to produce some nifty aircraft that are attributed to them; witness BAE, Boeing, Airbus, Northrop-Grumman, Lockheed and others. Those companies produce those things in house which make SENSE to produce in-house. They are Design comapnies and SYSTEM INTEGRATORS... as is Buell. For somebody to assume they SHOULD do it all under one roof is the height of ignorance. | ||
| Davegess |
I have the proof in front of me that show Buell has beaten the aerospace industry to the punch on several things. I also have the lap charts for an 1125R versus a 1098 Ducati at Willow Springs and the Buell ecks out a small margin. I could scan then and post them but I am not going to just to annoy Rocket. Sorry don't have anything like that but couldn't resist. | ||
| Elvis |
If I'm not mistaken, Verlicchi makes Ducati's frames. If an engineer conceives and draws a part, sends it to the machine shop with instructions on the materials and dimensions to be used. Tests the part and modifies the design. Sends revised drawings back to the machine shop. Eventually settles on a final design and the machine shop begins producing those parts, who would you credit with creation of the part? The engineer or the machine shop? I would consider the engineer the owner of the part and the machine-shop (or in the case of Ducati or Buell a sub-contracted manufacturing house) simply a tool that the engineer uses to create his part. | ||
| Rocketman |
For somebody to assume they SHOULD do it all under one roof is the height of ignorance. Your post was misleading as to the type of casting used for the 1125 frame being a Buell invented process. The location of frame manufacture has no relevance to your original comment, and I made no assumption from such. Ignorant or otherwise. Rocket | ||
| Bcordb3 |
I would consider the engineer the owner of the part and the machine-shop (or in the case of Ducati or Buell a sub-contracted manufacturing house) simply a tool that the engineer uses to create his part. When anyone creates or invents an item , and is getting paid to do so, the item/invention becomes intellectual property of the employer/company. The intellectual owner may give recognition to the inventor if the company wants to. | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
if i was going to have a coke bottle rammed up my ass for over a week in public im hoping i would get paid for it..and well i might add...everybody gets their 15 minutes...youtube here i come....this could possibly be the only place in the world where u can find areospace technology and coke bottle ramming all in the same thread. | ||
| Rocketman |
You are the one that said he liked the Coke bottle shape! I said the Coke bottle shape was recognised the world over as a design icon. I offered no opinion as to my own taste. Rocket | ||
| Rocketman |
When anyone creates or invents an item , and is getting paid to do so, the item/invention becomes intellectual property of the employer/company. The intellectual owner may give recognition to the inventor if the company wants to. But not the manufacturing process in this instance. Which has me wondering, what is there to argue about? Rocket | ||
| Ducxl |
Which has me wondering, what is there to argue about? Forgive me but,that's the same question the rest of us have asked for nearly 700 posts  | ||
| Rocketman |
Read the title of the THREAD, then uninvite yourself. Rocket | ||
| Ducxl |
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| Bcordb3 |
And to think there is about two months of winter remaining for a lot folks. Time to go riding, it's about 62 deg.F, a little windy. But what the heck. Personally I like this thread. | ||
| Rocketman |
As of now, I'm forbidden from 'personal commentary'. Everyone else is ok though. I believe it just to be me. Rocket | ||
| Blake |
I didn't read Steve's statements re the ablative casting as claiming Buell invented it or was the first to use it. You no read good. More precisely, I read Steve's words to say that Buell is ahead of some aerospace companies in first employing the ablative casting technology in their product and being able to realize its benefits. I did not read into it that Buell was performing the casting. | ||
| Ceejay |
D-bird. you know you haven't asked or added anything positive to this thread in a long time...why continue? Has Rocket really ruffled your feathers that much? Rocket I still can't understand why it's better to place the radiator in front of the motor, save for cosmetics(maybe) and crash protection(which it sounds like buell solved). As far as the wheelbase considerations: show me a modern sports bike where you can whack the throttle and you don't go ass over applecart(maybe my nine) thus it still seems odd that buell would build a bike that would somewhat go against the grain of what they had hung thier hat on. | ||
| Blake |
Handling must take into consideration power. It's why superbike and MotoGP racing machines employ 56" wheelbases while the 250GP machines employ much shorter ones. Buell hangs their hat on overall integrated motorcycle handling, not one thing over another. To ignore the major hit that acceleration performance would take in order to keep the amazingly quick steering of the short wheelbase would be silly. Not only that, many folks don't want a smaller looking motorcycle, no matter how well it turns. |
