| Author | Message | ||
     Ducxl |
I'm confused. Saaaaaaay...i think I said that! | ||
| Doerman |
That is something we can all see. It's beauty is in dispute. The fact that you think it ugly is not in dispute. It is definitely very different from anything else in it looks and as such it will attract a vigorous debate - as evidenced here. But it is only your foregone conclusion that it is ugly. The 118HP and 171MPH thing. I don't know. I wasn't there. There's no evidence to substantiate or contradict the claim Aerodynamics in the race sense? I don't know. Have not seen (and I doubt anybody has) comparative numbers to prove it one way or another. The aerodynamics of it does work very well to protect the rider. The quiet zone is real as sampled by me, myself and I. It simply works and that's the aerodynamics that counts for me. Now, that should not be confused with aerodynamic drag numbers, obviously. The claim (IIRC) was that one rider on an 1125R pulled another rider on an R1 in a roll on situation. The R1 rider needed to shift down. That is what was reported. That is entirely possible under the total lack of description of additional circumstances. To draw the conclusion that with equal riders on a long straight road that it would occur again? Maybe it will or maybe it won't. That test has not been performed. But your reaction to the situation is as if it had been performed and that is not what the author stated. (again a BIG IIRC). Beauty of the beholder and as said before we'll agree to disagree. Allow me the luxury to read between your lines. I believe you disagree with labeling the 1125R a sportbike and would rather categorize it as a sport tourer. I remember reading an article in Cycle World years ago where editor Edwards wrote about the dreaded labeling of sport tourer of what a manufacturer intended to be a sport bike. It was the death knell of a model when that occurred (his words not mine). Is that what you have in mind here? Get it labeled as sport tourer as soon as possible to downgrade it? It'll be interesting to see what it will do in racing in the coming years(s). Asbjorn | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
wolf...thats the 1125 i would spend my money on ..twice if need be...thats a damn mean lookin bike..and now it has the nads to keep up...ooooh i like that....by the way nice ramming rocket hahahaha..damn thats gotta hurt a little. | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
by the way..thanx should be given where it is due...to all who can enjoy a rousting debate if u agree or not...thanx...to blake for not shutting the threads down...thanx...in this time of wet and snow and not being able to ride as much as we need to to keep from posting a bunch of horseshit..a good gnarly thread to keep everyones blood boiling is just dandy...this thread would of been locked and half the people would of been banned or put on a time out anywhere else....im sure blake and a few others have spent many a minute grinding their teeth and hovering over the nuke that @sshole button...so thanx all. | ||
| Doerman |
He He.. Yes Molly. I am glad Rocket started this thread. It's been loads of fun. And it could not should not be shut down because the title of the thread says it all. And everybody has been (reasonably) spirited but civil in their discussions. I'm curious. I like the S photoshop too. But I wonder if a radiator could actually fit between the wheel and motor. | ||
| Thumper74 |
I'm questioning the room there too. It seems like it would be a tight fit. Another option would be to mount it under the seat and use a fan to draw the air out. It would be more aerodynamic and the negative air pressure behind the bike could assist in pulling the air out. It would also clear up some of the clutter, make it resemble the current XB line or at least pay homage to it. Not to mention protect it in a drop. (Message edited by Thumper74 on January 04, 2008) | ||
| Bill0351 |
Are there any other bikes that use, or tried to use a rear radiator? Even if it wasn't practical for a compact bike like a Buell, it might be an option for HD if/when they eventually make the move to liquid cooling. I'm sure there are tons of reasons it would be tough to accomplish, but if someone did it and it worked, 5 years later, everyone would be doing it. Bill | ||
| Dbird29 |
Rocket, you have a small ram and a comprehension problem. I ask why you based your photocrap hack on a XB frame and you say it is not a XB it is a 1125R based picture. Then you say the 1125R is a XB. Who is the confused dork? You are. (and a liar) He is a witch and made of wood. Burn him. | ||
| Rocketman |
I like the 'nuke that @sshole button'. I'd like to be its first recipient. Asbjorn, I wasn't wanting to categorise the 1125 as any particular type of bike. What irritates me is the amount of junk that gets written down here as the Gospel According to Buell. Over the years it's become the bane inside many a BadWeB topic. Thus when the 1125 was received by the first few, all of a sudden there are those here proclaiming it as something way above and beyond what it really is as a motorcycle. That those posting such comments are joined by so called 'official' representatives of Buell, with them adding their own high and mighty claims about the 1125, is even more irritating when these people refuse to support their claims with fair comment and accurate data when questioned. Instead conflicts past are brought to the fore as their defense, which very often leads to the shit that we've just witnessed today. I am comfortable in my opinions. That some choose to fall out with me as a person over motorcycle arguments is their loss. Being told to f u c k off, or calling me a liar, troll, whatever, has no affect, though it may have me see them in a different light too. Asbjorn, since you've acquired your 1125 your manner towards me is nowhere near as friendly as it was previously. If owning a motorcycle has you change your mind about what you think about some people because they differ in opinion over your choice of motorcycle, that's your problem. I'm happy to help if debating it will aid your recovery  Rocket | ||
| Dbird29 |
Rocket Your opinions are based on nothing. Did you ride the 1125R? No. Now you can call others liars but if you are caught in a lie, you turn into a martyred saint. You are truly a martyr though. Maybe we can get a shrine to you and your suffering for "The Truth". | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
hey rocket...are u going to ride the 1125 when u get a chance to...then are u going to write a fair even handed observation like u did on those other bikes when u came back ...just askin. | ||
| Rocketman |
Dumbird, I didn't base my photocrap on an XB frame. I used a picture of a complete 1125r that I saw on BadWeB. I rubbed a few bits out, and penned a few bits in, to a picture of an 1125. I said the 1125R is a rehash of the XB platform. I did not say the 1125 is an XB. Read my lips and repeat after me, I D I D N O T S A Y T H E 1 1 2 5 I S A N X B Rocket | ||
| Rocketman |
Where did I lie  Yes Molly, with added vigour, I'm going to thrash its nuts off in an effort to prove my beliefs. Then I'll baby it like a touring bike, in an effort to prove my beliefs. Then I shall go quietly and masturbate. Rocket | ||
| Dbird29 |
A shrine. With flowers and singing birds and angels hold books with all the great Rocket quotes and some cherubs that understand and laugh at Rocket and his magnificence. You ever heard of Bill Clinton? (I did not have sexual relations with that woman) | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
rocket had sex with a woman ?...according to some here that wouldnt of been his first choice....hahahahahaha...good times. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
the radiator between the tire and the engine mount? wTF isnt that were here speed triple has it? Take a close look at that bike, if you are looking for a naked, water cooled ride, the template is out there. Having ridden the triumph, the XB & the 1125R, the power on the new Loki puts them both in their place, The triumph seems well behaved, the XB has lower RPM limits and gearing range, the 1125R is FLOGGABLE (forget flickable) Bring on a naked version of it. While you're at it.... Dirty SM/DS 450 rotax platform! (never say never) | ||
| Doerman |
If owning a motorcycle has you change your mind about what you think about some people because they differ in opinion over your choice of motorcycle, that's your problem. I'm happy to help if debating it will aid your recovery It probably has more to do with actually owning one and having put miles on it. It has confirmed what I hoped it to be and more. It has not changed my mind about you but given me more real world data to debate the bike with you. | ||
| Rocketsprink |
Since I don't want to take the time to look over this entire waste of badweb/internet space, I may be repeating some one else's post here, but it seems me you have to have owned/ridden a XB or 1125 (more than a couple times) to be able to argue/debate the quality and performance of said machines. Not just pull an opinion out of your ass as far as the above mentioned is concerned. Looks? Beauty/ugly is in the eye of the beholder. Pretty hard to change some one's opinion on that. Off to the garage to work on my beautiful/ugly XB race bike. | ||
| Rocketman |
Dumbird, I appreciate the humour, but it's time to let the bitching from both of us go. We'll only end up in the shit. Peace, and a happy new year. Rocket | ||
| Dbird29 |
A Shrine. With the quote "He always wanted the Last Word" in scrolled gold leaf on alabaster porcelain. And a picture, his favorite, of his self introspection that led to his Great Enlightenment.  | ||
| Rocketman |
Actually, this is more my style.  But then I always was a cunning linguist. Rocket | ||
| Dbird29 |
A Shrine. Another inscription that reads "He was always keeping it real but never rode a Buell 1125R".  | ||
| S1eric |
This is a cool picture. thanks Wolfridgerider. That bike looks the business. This is the bike that i have been waiting for Buell to build. But for some reason I know it will have those ugly side pods on the S model too. But who knows. S1Eric  | ||
| Scott_in_nh |
Nope. I don't do ugly cars. I don't do ugly motorcycles, and I've never done an ugly woman. I know. I'm shallow. I never said ugly, you miss the point, but I guess you lack romance as well as being shallow. If you like Saabs then you do like ugly cars. Poor try. I own the best stock looking modified S1W on the planet. Of that I am entirely certain. That you don't like it, but praise the looks of the 1125 serves to prove what bad tastes you have. But don't worry. You're not alone. No you don't, you mods are ugly, so you like ugly motorcycles too. I never praised the looks of the 1125 either. Congratulations, you missed every point I was making.... I'll throw you a bone and say that I agree that the moderators are sometimes heavy handed, sometimes unfair and that they even break their own rules sometimes. I guess that makes them human...The way you react when that happens only makes them look right though. (Message edited by scott_in_nh on January 04, 2008) | ||
| Rocketman |
Scott, that you make a point of slating my S1W only serves to make you look argumentative. I know how stunning my S1W is. That's because I spent a lot of time seeking out perfection in everything I've done to it. In fact, so much so that it's worthy of conversation. You point out the battery is orange. Actually it's red. It is in fact a Red Top 20, which is the absolute bollocks in the UK market where AGM batteries are concerned. The reason I chose the RT 20 is two fold. That Buell sold the S1 and S1W from new all over the world with duff batteries, they were forced to come up with a solution eventually. The solution was a piss poor add on bracket that held a slightly different size battery that would no longer sit in the tray that is part of the frame. This bracket also holds the repositioned voltage regulator. Placing the battery in the new position also left part of the old battery tray exposed and poking forward like a sore prick at a wedding. So I found a solution to the problem by finding a replacement AGM battery the correct size to match the original duff battery. That it is recognised by its colour and branding as a serious piece of performance kit, I was happy to show off it being red in colour. At least those in the know would recognise it as something special. Yellow heads. Well they won't be yellow when I tune up to the XB heads I'm planning on, but yellow it was because black is boring and red is Ferrari. Can't go repeating something that is quintessentially an Italian icon, the 'testa rossa'. Such would just be cheap. Yellow however had its subtleties to match. The yellow switches. The yellow Accel 8.8 wires. The yellow Dymag logos on the carbon fibre wheels. So yellow seemed like a great choice, and nobody else had or has got yellow heads to my knowledge. One more thing. I considered using giallo fly in homage to Ferrari's testa rossa, but that was a little obscure and corny. So I chose good old British Standard yellow, which is the corporate shade of yellow when used by government bodies such as town councils, on their fleet vehicles and garbage trucks. See, lots of detail you could never have imagined had you not asked. The lights you don't like? The rear is an absolute work of billet alloy art. I revelled in making the carbon fibre backing plate from a Buell Race Kit chin spoiler. I even managed to include the Buell logo on the inside when I cut the piece I was using. Attention to detail see. As for the turn signals, I battled over these for a long time. The rears were easier as the billet Joker Machine anodized black were always going to be perfect for style. Sadly their performance is piss poor with only a silly filament bulb in the age of LED's. And boy were they pricey. This year the Jokers might get shelved in favour of a set of black Kellermans I have lying around. I intended them for the front signals, until I saw and just had to have the Oberon offerings. All Oberon's stuff is just stunningly beautifully made. Absolute quality of the highest order. I'll digress here a little bit. The market is flooded with cheap LED lights. Part of that cheapness is using a PCB that only has print on one side. Keeps production cost down, but causes dry joints in the long run. Oberon's solution was not just to print the PCB on both sides, but to also put the LED's on both sides and introduce a lens on the opposite side. That is not only a great safety feature, it is style never seen before, and pure genius too. So it is that the Kellermans are still in their boxes, and Oberon made it as the front signals. And man do they look stylish, neat, in proportion and so very much in tune with the rest of the S1W. Attention to detail again. It must be that I have an eye for such things. Massimo understand me I'm sure. Let me know if there's anything else on my S1W that displeases you Scott, and I'll happily try and explain, sorry excuse, why I was stupid enough to put it on there. Rocket | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
i actualy like rockets S1 i think he did a decent job of it...the frame could use some powder coat and the swingarm but thats just my opinion...as far as tubers go its not a bad lookin ride...then again i do like that "cookie cutter" bikes too...now i reeeeaaally like that street fighter up there..thats the shiznit...if someone makes those parts il be havin me one of those. | ||
| Rocketman |
The frame is nickel plated, and the swing arm polished alloy. Why paint them? Old school Brit custom frames, Dresda, Seeley, Spondon, Rickman, not to mention Egli, etc etc etc, all nickel plated. British craftsmanship and racing heritage. Rocket | ||
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| Aesquire |
Now I want the Oberon's, darn you, Rocket. If the back light is bright enough, I'm good with the style. I'm a function over form guy. If the form is right, it should function, is my attitude. I admired the esthetic of the yellow heads, before I heard your story, nice to know about the red battery. I won't ask what you think of my catch can. | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
just my opinion..ya know how those go...its still a nice bike and its urs...if the nickel turns u on then groovy....im not big on polished stuff...polished too many semi wheels in my time...yuk. |
