| Author | Message | ||
     Ferrisbuellersdayoff |
I'm sure someone out there has put lights, signals and DOT tires... where is he/she? | ||
| Jaimec |
You'd need a lot more than just that! | ||
| Bads1 |
Funny.... I was just talking about that yesterday. Around here It may not be legal. But lights tag's and blinkers and the registration to my XB12S on me if I got pulled over and I'd get away with it forever around here.lol | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Titling it for the street would be the trick. Some states are more restrictive than others. | ||
| Rich |
What keeps me from doing it is lack of fundage. | ||
| Sarodude |
Frames have no VIN - or so I think. -Saro | ||
| Ferrisbuellersdayoff |
Oh and is stamping a frame illegal now? Dad's Panhead has a Paughco frame, bought 22 years ago he was victim of a hit and run. Frame was trashed at the back wheel and gooseneck. Its titled by the engine cases... So if hypothetically you got an XB title and stamped the VIN into the XBRR frame, should all be set and well. Anyone asks and itstheXB on the title with severe performance modifications. | ||
| Rocketman |
Common sense and the wanting of a less stressful life perhaps? Rocket | ||
| Davegess |
You would need a title from another bike as well as a stamped frame and a vin sticker for the frame with all the numbers matching. It could be done but it would take some work. If you got caught the cops would confiscate the bike, you wouldn't get it back AND you would get a big fine. | ||
| Nillaice |
but i bet it'd be fun while it lasted! let's pool some cash together, guys just kidding, my wife would have my nuts in a jar..........ooohh too late | ||
| Slaughter |
Why does everybody ask the Badweb? Ask your DMV. Get it wrong and it's impounded. You can't assume you will never get pulled over and the police are too stupid to run the tags and match to the VIN's on engine and frame. I say just do it and when the police run the VIN's and find they don't match the title, people like me get to buy it at police auctions. They can just decide to run the VIN's "just because" they want to if they just see it parked. Go ahead. Or ask your DMV how to do a custom. Engine and chassis are stamped "Race Use Only" or something like that. You got some 'splainin to do. (Message edited by slaughter on December 16, 2007) | ||
| Gentleman_jon |
There is a rather long thread on this subject over in the XBRR section. Here is the URL: http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/253 782/255176.html?1170109806 | ||
| Ulynut |
"get it wrong and it's impounded" is right, and maybe a forgery charge as well. | ||
| Court |
>>>>You'd need a lot more than just that! You'd also need to do about a million dollars worth of regulatory testing and secure certifications first. It's not as simple as installing turn signals. There are about 15 pages related to where those signals MUST go, how far they are seperated and infinitum. It's not having them so much as it is having a certified bike. Like I've said before . . . and John Britten knew. . . once you get a motorcycle built you are 12% of the way toward being a "motorcycle manufacturer". | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
It would be easier to transplant the components into a donor bike with clear title. You would have to be willing to completely thwart all the laws concerning emissions and traffic laws governing OEM equipment. | ||
| Bads1 |
Court, And my XB is legal??? My turnsignal's are not. My plate mount is not. My headlight is not. My cut tailsection is not. And the list goes on.lol If I had the XBRR,TRUST ME,I'd put signal's,taillight,headlight,and the plate off my present XB and ride it. I've been pulled over in my car,bikes,etc they don't look at the VIN. They however want my registration. Thats just verify that I am who I am. I'm not saying its legal but in my area you'd get away with it as long as you weren't being a idiot on it. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
My local DMV and Police aren't smart enough nor do they have the time to be concerned with turn signal placement, etc. Besides, what about all the local chopper shops - are you telling me they spend millions certifying their bikes. I do believe one can get away with a lot more on a motorcycle then with an automobile. | ||
| Slaughter |
For $30K BEFORE you re-do the electrical system to put out enough to keep a battery charged at night (remember, you might need LIGHTS?) and then start putting on the other stuff you'd need... you'd have a quite delicate, difficult to tune, bike for somewhat less than $40K invested. For my money, I'd look elsewhere to spend that $30K or more... and if you're thinking of buying a used RR and re-working it, try finding a dealer to work with you on buying spares from the factory without you having a racing license. They have to commit fraud in getting spares from Buell (not likely) Yeah, if you need parts, you could get custom billet cylinders made, same for heads. Blow a bottom end? Sure you can get that custom pork-chop flywheel (you CAN'T get it from ANY other HD/Buell) and Carillo will custom forge C-rods. There are custom piston houses too. You can probably take the cases out and have them re-welded or re worked when needed... The pistons MIGHT be adaptable from another HD platform but there's a HUGE list of issues that make the RR a less-than-practical streetbike. Between Glendale and Bartels we get nearly on-demand dyno access here and are still working on maps for weather changes, different elevations, etc. Our maps and tuning at sea level don't apply at Willow (2500 feet elevation) The engine MUST be tuned for different elevations and atmospheric conditions... remember it's a NO COMPROMISES race motor - does not operate in open loop like the street motors. Reprogramming is done on the dyno and NOT by your oxy sensor re-setting the parameters in the ECM I understand the fascination with a street-legal XBRR but as-issued, the RR just CANNOT work for a streetbike any more than a TZ750 Yamaha would... though that has its appeal to me. And I'm ignoring the DMV and impounding issues - it's just more trouble than its worth. | ||
| Bads1 |
Before 30k??? Steve they sold out. You'd have to buy a used one. I've seen them so far at 18k and thats asking price. Would I spend the money??? Hell NO but it can be done. Nobody said the upkeep would be cheap. | ||
| Coal400 |
No VIN? Any concerns about insurance? In IL insurance is mandatory... The only thing worse than not having insurance, is having it and not being covered. Perhaps you could claim that its a home built. I did that with my trailer since the retailer lost the certificate of origin. All that being said, I'd think a street legal RR would be freak'n awesome. | ||
| Iamike |
Go to your state's DOT website and see if you can do it as a custom (or some other verbage) vehicle. We used to do dirtbikes that way but a few years ago they clamped down on them. There was never an explanation why, they just quit letting us do it. I had bought the kit and got the ok from our local inspector until I tried to do it and the rules changed. I heard that they even withdrew titles from some of the dirtbikes that they had already issued. | ||
| Rick_a |
You could always put the XBRR motor in a street legal XB (supposedly available from the Race Dept.), and run constant-loss lighting with a big batt. Just don't stray to far from home! | ||
| Slaughter |
You can get a used XBRR for much less than $30k - no doubt. You can get spares (with a race license and then ONLY through a cooperating HD Dealer) but remember, you're talking a bike which is going to need pretty heavy work just to keep it going. You will have to fabricate replacement parts if you don't have a race license. This reminds me of my fantasy bike - putting in an XR750 engine into a streetbike chassis so I'd have an ultimate "classic" cafe racer. A whole lotta reasons why that wouldn't work either. If what you are saying is that you'd love to have a high output air cooled motor in a streetbike, there are better ways. If your DMV is willing to stamp a VIN to chassis and frame... cool... but you're still up against trying to keep the thing running and in tune (remember it is designed to run on 114 octane ROCKETT leaded race gas - so your first order of business is DAYS of dyno time to get it running) Yeah, you can run it on the race gas but now you're keeping a drum in the garage. Rockett 114 isn't available everywhere either. You can get parts from Duga if you have a race license. Yeah the motor alone can be bought for about $18K new... I keep hearing folks wanting to do this with an RR motor without realizing how much trouble this will be for people without the tools and dyno. If you're going to be changing more than a couple thousand feet elevation, you just about HAVE TO carry your laptop to change the global fuel settings with the altitude changes. I'm not saying the upkeep wouldn't be cheap - I'm saying it'd be damned near impossible. I'm no expert but I've fooled quite a lot with two of the motors as RACERS. I can't possibly see it working as a streetbike - just on the technical issues - forget the legal ones. I'm NO dealer, I'm NO Buell guy, I'm just a racer and monthly "pit slave" for a few racers - and it's just not gonna be as easy as you'd think. Even if you could get the bike for FREE, I bet after a year of TRYING to tune it, you'll pay somebody to take it away from you. Don't get me wrong, all this is coming from somebody who really LIKES these machines! If Buell came out with a de-tuned bike that could use pump premium, making about 118 HP (MotoST max allowed) - who'd buy it? Why not just bump up a normal XB? (Message edited by slaughter on December 17, 2007) | ||
| Slaughter |
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/253 782/323861.html?1197865739#POST1029113 Some pics of the bikes this weekend (thanks Asbjorn Doerman) | ||
| Bads1 |
Steve, I saw one on Ebay just a few week's ago at 18. Here you can buy Hal's bike and mind you it has a obo after the price and you can bet you may get alot more for your money on this bike. http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/21/ 316339.html?1196526151 | ||
| Oldskoolef |
Greensboro HD Buell has their XBRR up for sale. It was the one on eBay a few weeks ago. It has never seen the street or a track. As far as I know, it's never even been started since they uncrated it. They are also selling their V-Rod Destroyer. They just had them both sitting together on the showroom floor for folks to drool over. What a shame. | ||
| Slaughter |
It IS a really great racebike, no doubt - and it is an AWESOME club racer - and yes, awesome at $30K I kinda/sorta have access to the machinery needed to keep one running and wouldn't try to do it on the street... just too much trouble. Nice thing about racing is there is ALWAYS a dynamomenter at every racetrack so you can update your maps. Not too convenient to have a dyno at each coffee shop. It'd be cool if they'd de-tune one for pump premium and make the motor more idiot proof. I'd bet it'd be a really fun street motor - especially with the short stroke (unlike the XB12 with that danged long stroke) |
