| Author | Message | ||
     M1combat |
http://zeitgeistmovie.com/ I'm reminded of a song by Pink Floyd... "Us and Them" "Mother" comes to mind as well. Anyway... Just thought I'd share to see what the reaction is like in this demographic. | ||
| Etennuly |
"The truth shall set you free!" does not come to mind. Interesting if you watch the whole thing. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Interesting that of ALL the "mythologies" that Christianity is the target. Seemed very little discussion of Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam. If Christianity is equally misguided, why spend all the time on one religion. There are far more Muslims, Buddhists, and Hindus than Christians. Appears to be a little biased. I guess my question is who is the piece intended to convince? | ||
| M1combat |
Did you watch more than the first section Ft? I thought the first section was a bit out of place and had pretty close to the same questions. | ||
| Danger_dave |
>>There are far more Muslims, Buddhists, and Hindus<< God doesn't like them posting on the internet. | ||
| Johnnylunchbox |
Fatty, keep in mind the intended audience. I don't think he was picking on Christianity, I think he was just trying to "relate" to the demographic. | ||
| Etennuly |
It goes way back before Christianity and picks on earlier regimes. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
Make sure you watch the whole thing... NOW I know they are out to get us!! Then watch this.... Da plane!! Da plane!! where is the da plane Mr.Rourke http://www.apfn.org/apfn/flight77.htm | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I didn't watch all of it. I am going back and watching more. I didn't have two hours to spend. First part didn't impress me much. | ||
| M1combat |
"It goes way back before Christianity and picks on earlier regimes." And I think that's the main point of the first section. There are well known facts about the "mixing" of Christianity and Paganism. In any case though  , PLEASE take section one with a grain of whatever type of salt you would like and discuss the later sections . As I said, I personally think that section one seemed a bit out of place. I think they were mostly trying to point out their perception that religion is a "fear" card that has been played. If you don't agree with that it's no skin off my back. (I've stated my religious beliefs on this board before and I'd rather that this thread not become one to do so again ). I'd prefer to discuss the rest of the story . | ||
| Blake |
http://zeitgeistmovie.com/activism.htm Tin foil hat wearers and hyper-partisan Bush haters love that kind of scary sounding alarmist stuff. | ||
| Blake |
Save your time and go right to the transcript for part one at... http://zeitgeistmovie.com/transcript.htm In short is proffers that the Bible is pure mythology and Christians are fools. | ||
| M1combat |
It's not about America Blake. It's not about Bush either. It's about history. Actual facts. Not conjecture, opinion, feelings or alarmist fears. It's about being informed and making sure that you look at even the things with which you don't currently agree with an open mind and truly thinking about the implications and probability and deciding whether or not it's possible and/or probable. I believe that when a person has "made up their mind" they place themselves in a dangerous and vulnerable position. It's fine to have your beliefs but it's dangerous to then hop in a little box and never look outside of it because you've "made up your mind". Are you familiar with the term "Doublethink" from Orwell's "1984"? A lot of people (from around the world... Not just in America, this isn't an American issue exclusively) are perfectly ready to give up their liberties for freedom. Look those two words up and tell me that isn't doublethink. Now... what else is doublethink? Somehow I'm a fan of liberty AND freedom. I am not a hyper-partisan Bush hater Blake. You know that. I typically vote for Republicans. It has been against U.S. law to transport high yield weapons by aircraft since the late 60's (because of plane crashes and subsequent recovery operations in foreign countries). Why then, would the air force be given an order to transport a number of them by air? They refused because it was against the law. Don't take my word for it please. Do your own research. http://nationalexpositor.com/News/368.html I don't know thing one about that website other than it turned up in a google search. Maybe find out who else was involved that day and find out where THEY are too? It's ugly. | ||
| M1combat |
So you can't see past part one Blake? I am a Christian and it bugged me too. I have faith. There are people out there that don't share my faith. That's fine by me. I'll answer their questions about my faith when they ask. | ||
| Aesquire |
I'm not Christian, usually. I even agree that we should be ever vigilant against oppression & the suppression of our Constitution. Big time. ( subtitle, why I don't buy your Global Warming crap ) The Transcript of the first part is a bit over the top, especially when he gets into the numerology of the apostles. If you don't like people attacking your faith, DON'T read it. It's old stuff to a student of religion. When he gets to the "controlled demolition" conspiracy crap, though, I must reject out of hand the whole of the site. When a conspiracy nut shows you the Seismic charts, and points to parts that I interpret as "initial floor collapse, shock propagation to beginning of pancake failure" and he gets "evil Cheney crew explodes demolition charges" ( which don't look like that AT ALL ) I gag & move on with my life. To put in simpler terms.... When a Person tells you evil happened, because there is a huge rip in the Earth in Arizona, caused by the bohemian grove trying to summon Satan!... and you notice it's the Grand Canyon.....He's nuts. I love the Bush's ancestor tries to overthrow the country bit, though! Is Henry Ford's grand children going to put Hitler's Brain in a Robot too?? | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Ok. I watched the rest of it. I believe that the conclusions drawn are based upon evidence collected in support the opinion rather than evidence in support of fact. Just because you believe something is real, it doesn't mean that it is real, but one is able to find evidence to substantiate just about any belief. I have no doubt that there are those who attempt to use wealth and power to gain more wealth and power. A prime example of that is George Soros. I find it interesting that complete complicity can ONLY be marshaled among the government, the media, the industrial complex and the religious establishment for the enslavement of man and for evil intentions, and yet the participants are completely and utterly in the dark regarding their own participation. I also find it interesting that parties with completely discordant aims can suddenly cooperate in favor of the enslavement of man. Last I checked, the media wasn't in George Bush's camp or the environmental folks were not in the industrial complex's pocket. I find it interesting also that in the WWII example specifically that there was no mention of the socio-political movements in both Japan and Germany that led to there being a war to be "drawn into". There was also absolutely no mention of the socio-political movement in Russia. There was no central bank, no religion, no "false flag" operation to mislead the people into wars for economic gain for the industrial complex. Was this a good thing? Was the USSR the model society? How is it also that the plan can be so seamless between successive regimes. Since the FBI was behind the first WTC bombing and Oklahoma City under Clinton, did Clinton get the One World Government handbook? What about Regan? How was he able to organize the bombing in Lebanon? Was Carter part of creating the Islamic extremist in Iran that he later fought against and ultimately lost his second term as a result of? Did he buck the trend and get is secret decoder ring taken away? Where is the black book, the playbook, the book of the dead? Who coordinates all of this, and who makes the travel arrangements for the "get togethers"? Ultimately if the global plan succeeds, the economic base would collapse. As a result, the financial, political, and industrial players would be bringing about their own demise. If no one has any money, or the ability to buy, and if money becomes worthless, wealth also would be erased. In the end, the population will rise up and fight against their slave masters or will be killed through poverty, murder, or incarceration. Neither outcome is positive for the military industrial complex. You maintain power at the cost of those you require to build wealth. No consumer, no profit. Financiers are only able to profit when there are those using their money, borrowing money, paying taxes, buying goods, making profit. A complete and total national or global financial meltdown harms industry, finances, and governments. In the end, it doesn't really matter. Either this is "the Matrix" and the afterlife is what is real, or this is all there is and once you are snuffed out you cease to exist. Death holds no power. I have no fear of it. Power comes through fear. Power comes through overcoming fear. Power comes through love, love of "one's neighbor as you would yourself". Power also comes in the understanding that self is not the purpose of existence. The end of the video where Jimi Hendrix is quoted negates the fact that human nature doesn't change. All the hope, love, kharma, good vibes, or whatever doesn't change the core of human nature, the desire to be the center of the universe. To go through all that trouble to create this piece of work and yet to have absolutely no action steps for changing the global outcome, to scream that the sky is falling but provide no plans on how to come inside just seems silly. That's the problem with dark global conspiracy theories. They seem to lack any sort of end game strategy. | ||
| M1combat |
OK. That was seemingly a very well thought out post. Let me play devil's advocate for a moment. What if it's not about wealth as we see it (money)? What if it's not about power as we see it? What if it's simply about being above others? About pulling the strings just to watch what happens and know that the strings are pulled and that there are strings to be pulled. The generation of a system where there isn't anyone that can pull your strings. You (Or a group that is accepted) are the string pullers. "Power also comes in the understanding that self is not the purpose of existence. " But what about an ideology that feels that self IS the purpose of existence? One that feels that the removal or suppression of others (the "self" of others) is power. Power for themselves. Are you familiar with the early days of the federal reserve? It's not a federal entity as far as I can tell. It's a private entity that does nothing more than create the device that we trade for things we want. Why should an entity like that care whether the form of currency they create loses it's value IF it's understood that when that currency does lose it's value that the same entity will be the one called upon to generate a new currency. It would lose nothing. Trust me... I don't feel like I have all the answers by any means. It does seem to make sense that there would be people that would be interested in control though. "It takes all kinds" as it were. | ||
| M1combat |
OK. That was seemingly a very well thought out post. Let me play devil's advocate for a moment. What if it's not about wealth as we see it (money)? What if it's not about power as we see it? What if it's simply about being above others? About pulling the strings just to watch what happens and know that the strings are pulled and that there are strings to be pulled. The generation of a system where there isn't anyone that can pull your strings. You (Or a group that is accepted) are the string pullers. "Power also comes in the understanding that self is not the purpose of existence. " But what about an ideology that feels that self IS the purpose of existence? One that feels that the removal or suppression of others (the "self" of others) is power. Power for themselves. Are you familiar with the early days of the federal reserve? It's not a federal entity as far as I can tell. It's a private entity that does nothing more than create the device that we trade for things we want. Why should an entity like that care whether the form of currency they create loses it's value IF it's understood that when that currency does lose it's value that the same entity will be the one called upon to generate a new currency. It would lose nothing. Trust me... I don't feel like I have all the answers by any means. It does seem to make sense that there would be people that would be interested in control though. "It takes all kinds" as it were. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I completely agree that there are those that "pull strings". I also believe that there are strings to be pulled. I also believe that the power to pull strings are not infinite. As an example, I work with physicians. Much of what I do requires groups of physicians to ALL agree on a course of action. It's like herding cats. Getting the EU, the African Union and the Pacific Block to all agree on a singular course of action whereby each of them relinquishes control to the greater "master" will be very far fetched. Even within the United Nations each country is in it for what they can get. My contention is not that there are people who want money for power and power for power's sake. It's that there are always contrary struggles for power that cancel one another. I also believe that the struggle for a "One World Government" isn't new. Look at the Egyptian Empire, the Greek Empire, the Roman Empire, the Persian Empire, the British Empire, the Soviet Union, and the American "Empire". Each wielded power over much of the planet for a time. Grabbing control isn't hard. It can be done both militarily and economically. KEEPING an empire intact is the hard part. We live in a world of entropy. ALL things tend to move from a state of order toward a state of disorder. If they do snatch control, it will require more and more resources to maintain. Hastening the loss of control. The Fed is a private entity as is the IRS. The Fed does have it's head person appointed by the president. There is a degree of control there. | ||
| Al_lighton |
I'm not going anywhere near Part 1 with a 10 foot pole. The coincidences and analogies are interesting, though. I don't know about the whole conspiracy bits in it, I don't think the US government blew up the World trade center, and a friend of mine that lives in Arlington near the Pentagon saw the jet that this video claims didn't exist when it flew right over his apartment in its final dive. But I do fear that this country has become the economic slave to a privately controlled monetary system that ultimately must collapse. In my lifetime? In my son's lifetime? Hard to say. I suspect it will coincide with the end of oil, though. Will the US government as we know it collapse at the same time? Likely, IMHO. It worries me, because I think there will ultimately be an economic event that will make the Great Depression pale in comparison. This was a pretty interesting (and a lot shorter ) video on the money side of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy-fD78zyvI&NR=1 As FB wrote, the problem with both videos is that they offer no solutions. In the end, you just feel more helpless like there is nothing you can do about it. We're all playing by someone else's rules, the goal is to play to win under those rules and make the best of it. If the rules change, you have to change the way you play. That's life, it's always been that way for the common man throughout the ages, period. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Ultimately, our planet has gone through several "dark ages". We're due for another. There was one during the power vacuum caused by the end of the Egyptian Empire ushering in the era of the Persian Empire. The defeat of the great Persian army during the battles with the Hellenistic groups ushered in the end of the Persian Empire and the rise of the Greek Empire/Roman Empire. After the fall of Rome, several groups vie for control over former Roman territory. This was probably the greatest and longest period of "darkness". From that darkness, each nation state rose, and jockied for power: Spain, England, etc. Between each period whereby there was a dominant world power, this super power apexed and declined. During each of these declines, there is a power vacuum. As a nation, we are not immune to this cycle. We require oil and growth to remain powerful. When both of these factors subside, we will decline as a nation. Much of the underpinnings that bolster a nation during economic, military, and political downturns appear to be weakened resulting in an acceleration of the decline of the super power. Egypt, Persia, Greece/Rome, England, Spain, all had inherent weaknesses nationally leading to their decline. I believe the weaknesses in the US are financial overreaching, moral relativism, and decline of the family unit. The result is that when "the big one" hits, we as a nation will be less able to bounce back. Each successive impact will compound the effect and hasten the decline. | ||
| Blake |
Geesh. I believe that Hillary will get us back on track.  | ||
| M1combat |
LOL... I don't think so Blake . I know you were joking . |
