| Author | Message | ||
     Xb9ser |
I was rideing yesterday about 70mph in a 55 and met a ncst. Of course he hit his breakes I slowed down and when I saw blue lites I pulled over. I stopped and tougk off my helment and was standing beside the bike when he walked up. He checked my lisince and tag and inspection. he said to slow it down and thanked me for stopping. no ticket or any thing. I guess me being a gray beard and stopping surpriesd him. I did ride slower for the rest of the day!!!!!! | ||
| 65460 |
There are advantages to being ah, ehr, umm, "mature looking" Im sure its helped me more than once. | ||
| Cochise |
It's funny how mad, then not mad a cop will be. Numerous times a balding, grey haired feller I ride with will be pulled over. The cop usually stomps over, pissed off, sees my buddy take his helmet off, then either laughs or slumps over in disbelief at the old guy then gives him a warning and off he goes. | ||
| Buellerandy |
Just pulling over in a hassle free fashion can be enough to change the officers attitude- I was doing 80-90 in a 65 (my speed was fluctuating so much I didn't honestly know) state patrol did the same thing. Slowed down to get behind me, flashed his lights, I was willing to pull over so quick he almost missed getting behind me. Written warning. wohoo! | ||
| Steve_mackay |
Did the EXACT same thing going home from Road America. Wife and I pulled dover IMMEDIATELY. I was doing 37 in a 25. He let us go with a written warning. | ||
| Wile_ecoyote |
That is the key, pull over and dont give any bs to the guy. Of course being grey helps too, wink wink. | ||
| Chasespeed |
Just pulling over in a hassle free fashion can be enough to change the officers attitude I dont know about being a greybeard... I am only 27.... BUT, I do know, that as stated, stopping immediately, getting off the bike, removing lid, and dropping keys on the ground, will make the cop more comfortable, and they DO appreciate it when you DO stop... Got nailed on RTE 9 in Mass on my way to meet with some some Fellow BadWebbers, to tear up the Mohawk Trail 2 years ago... 80 in a 45 or something... Guy read me the riot act, checked my leave papers, told me to slow down, sent me on my way.... I was thankfull to say the least, and slowed down... Chase} | ||
| Buellerandy |
I'm probably the youngest guy posting on this thread  I've actually debated dying my hair silver/grey just to look that much older. Not that people don't already think I'm in my late 30's lol. As far as pulling over for the police, its almost probably the most "proactive" action one can do to fight the squid stereotypes. Aside from not doing anything to get pulled over in the beginning...but what fun is that?:P | ||
| Ryker77 |
Where in the traffic laws does it say "subject is not guilty if he is a cool guy" "subject is allowed to go faster than the posted speed limit if he is older" "subject is allowed to break the law if he calls me sir and kisses my ass" While I agree its best to perfrom certain actions when dealing with the law. I don't agree that we should be so open to allowing the cops to think they can enforce laws not based on the ACTUALL law but based on a persons attitude. ---- My car was hit in the rear end as the cop gave me the blue lights and he was to busy playing with blue lights/radio to notice it was a 35mph zone and I was able to pull over and stop. His report had ONE or TWO simple sentances about my alleged traffic violation. Then a whole page on his wreck into my car and my attitude. Even the DA continued to press charges becuase "of the attitude I gave the officers" WTF- I didn't break that traffic viloation. PERIOD. read the %^&%*$( traffic code. I was false arrested and malscious prosecuted based on them just not agreeing with my attitude. While I agree the officer has the right and responsiblty to make on the scene judgement calls.  I think it is against our American rights to simple enforce the laws on the people we don't like and allow those we like to break the laws. | ||
| Djkaplan |
Best thing to do if you get stopped on a bike is to pull onto the shoulder as far as you safely can, turn the bike off, take your helmet off, and stay on the bike with your arms pointed down where the officer can see your hands. The best thing to do when you get stopped in your vehicle is to take the keys out and lay them on the dash. Leave your seat belt on and put your hands on the steering wheel where the officer can safely see them. If it's at night, turn your interior lights on. Tell the officer exactly what you're doing when you reach into your pocket or glove compartment and I always find it prudent to be polite, but not ass-kissing. A police officer friend of mine told me this years ago and I have a 90% success rate of getting off tickets if I follow the advice. Some of the stuff I got let go for was really ridiculous. Too ridiculous for me to recount here... | ||
| Djkaplan |
Of course being grey helps too, wink wink. The last cop that let me go said I was older than his dad when he gave me my license back. I'll take that one. | ||
| Paint_shaker |
If you choose to break the law, be prepared to pay the consequences. NOT having a bad attitude about being stopped helps... Sometimes no matter what you do, you will get a ticket... Just like any other profession, Law Enforcement has bad seeds.... | ||
| Buellerandy |
AND bad shots! :P | ||
| Buellerandy |
I think just about everyone on this discussion has no problem taking responsibility for their actions, I wouldn't be speeding if I wasn't willing to pay a fine. I also don't feel that I should automatically be let off for "being on good behavior" but I'm also not going to demand a citation | ||
| Daves |
Makes me kind of glad I have all that grey in my beard  | ||
| Chasespeed |
I think just about everyone on this discussion has no problem taking responsibility for their actions, I wouldn't be speeding if I wasn't willing to pay a fine. I also don't feel that I should automatically be let off for "being on good behavior" but I'm also not going to demand a citation I think thats really key here.... While the above mentioned time, is one of only a couple times I have goten away with it... There are also times I have been falsely cited, AND gone to court.... and lost without a lawyer... the judge didnt like what I was "Implying"... okay... I paid the fine... I got the ticket, whil erefusing to argue with an officer on the side of the highway... It goes both ways... As stated, you get pulled over... having fun... Be prepared to pay... it aint his fault you were screwing off... he is doing his job... Chase} | ||
| Jaimec |
Whatever you do, DON'T try to bribe him with pickled okra! | ||
| Nevrenuf |
i'm 75% right now and i got till labor day before i can go to school again so i have to be a little more careful. | ||
| Teeps |
Ha! It's comes around... what does gray hair and beard have in common with a pair of (well nestled) boobs? They can have the same effect on cop, pulling you over for some heinous road crime. Years ago there was a column in a motorcycle mag titled "The Law Arbitrary and Uneven" it was all about getting tickets. And, how unfair the law seemed to be applied. Wish I could find it... | ||
| Ryker77 |
I wonder how many speeding tickets get written in rain or other bad weather? | ||
| Ryker77 |
http://www.boston.com/globe/metro/packages/tickets /072103.shtml Globe review of 166,000 citations found that police in Massachusetts warned fully half of the drivers who were cited for violating a traffic law - a rate higher than in other states that have tallied warnings. ...The Massachusetts Criminal Justice Training Council manual describes ticketing here this way: "Every officer seems to have a personal system of deciding who gets a violation. Some talk about the attitude of the driver; some talk about giving a break to someone apparently in need; yet another officer said he never cited clergy, pregnant women, or soldiers." Indeed, beyond a blanket allowance for drivers with medical emergencies - situations that would typically result in no ticket or warning - police officers said there are any number of drivers they are loathe to ticket: the elderly driver on a fixed income, the single mother rushing to day care, the driver who seems remorseful. so the actuall act of danger is not included? the type of car? or condition of car? A grandpaw with bad vision and hearing in a 4500lbs town car doesn't get a ticket. But a 30year guy in a quality sports car with $$$$ tires will get a ticket. Speeds being the same. ?? In neighboring Rhode Island, state and local police ticketed 62 percent of the drivers who received a traffic citation, according to a recent study by Northeastern University. In Connecticut, the figure was 63 percent. And in North Carolina, where state troopers handle most of the traffic enforcement, 80 percent of citations were tickets. Don't neglect the fact of $$$$$ In my old town the city police were able to get revenue profits from speeding tickets directly put back to them. Thus they had nice cars, hummers, and Harleys. The county PD never issued speeding tickets since those funds went to the county fund and not direclty to them. Thus they had junk cars... | ||
| Ryker77 |
Highway Robbery A study on the relationship between local revenue and traffic citations in North Carolina from 1989 to 2003 confirmed what anyone might have suspected: that revenue maximization is a primary motive behind traffic tickets. So governments can maintain traffic circumstances that promote human "error" and disobedience, and exploit them for "revenue." If taking steps to solve traffic problems (i.e., to improve traffic safety and efficiency), like building roundabouts at intersections, would eliminate these opportunities for exploitation, then don't these governments have a powerful incentive not to take those steps? Many times that old faded speedlimit sign is left in place not becuase it is correct but becuase they can write tickets based on it. A typical person wouldn't know what the real speed limit is. We've all been down a road at 65mph then ---wow it's now a 35mph zone with no warnings. The government could place a warning sign and some do. Some use this a method to speed trap. Ever notice the cops will sit on the other side of the speed limit sign? The pervasiveness of this problem is illustrated by this story from the Tulsa World: A state [Oklahoma] law, approved in 2003, allows the state to prohibit a city or town's police department from enforcing traffic laws on state or U.S. highways if state officials determine that its traffic enforcement practices are being conducted on the outskirts of town but within the city limits and if such enforcement generates more than 50 percent of the town's operating revenue. many states not must have laws to prevent such local communites from operation this way. Some small towns annex the city limits to included the highway so they have the ablity to write tickets. The very existence of this law constitutes acknowledgement on the part of Oklahoma's state government that traffic laws can and are exploited by local governments for revenue. As the World reports, several town governments were designated as speed traps under this law: The town of Moffett, with a population of about 179 people, received 78 percent of its revenue from traffic fines in 2003 and 84 percent of its revenue in 2004, Philippi said. Figures for 2005 were not available. Every day, county and municipal courtrooms are packed with people fighting fines – most of us have been there. Entire industries, such as the defensive-driving class industry, have developed in response to this government-created problem and profit immensely. Numerous lawyers and law firms generate most or all of their revenue fighting clients' traffic tickets. And because traffic tickets are their bread and butter, these businesses, in turn, have a powerful incentive to oppose any change that would reduce the number of traffic tickets issued – and more to the point, to support politicians who oppose such changes. http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig7/mckaskle2.html | ||
| Teeps |
Today in the Malibu Mountains the CHP was out in force. Replete with helicopter spotters, and plenty of CHP cruisers (cars) and CHP bikes. A PB got one right in front of the Rock Store... | ||
| Gschuette |
Ryker, you want to see cops at most douche like then just take a ride through Utah. I was pulled over 6 times last year. One speeding ticket which I deserved. I have no clue why I was pulled over in the first place for the other stops. In January I was stopped at a nearby state park one evening. Pulled out of my truck which was surrounded by police vehicles and laid out on the ground with many many guns pointed at me while my truck was searched. Not quite sure what it was all about. Anytime I see a cop thread here it is all I can do not get up on my soapbox and bitch. No respect from Utah cops. I won't go broader than that because I know they are not all bad. I just haven't seen a good one in a while. | ||
| Ryker77 |
The topic is really about the cop as a person. But more as how Law Enforcement in general is handled, implemented, and carried out. Coming from the Marines with a hard @ss leadership train of thought. It is not the low level cops fault- but a failure to properly train and lead them. | ||
| Mattwhite |
I know a few Detroit cops. They're generally good guys. They won't hassle you for a little speeding, they're too busy with real crimes. If you see a Detroit police car on the freeway he's usually in a hurry to get somewhere. Be careful in the suburbs, though. | ||
| Greenlantern |
This always helps me out, WARNING ! ADULT LANGUAGE!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fhq0NDkUViQ 20 years as a licensed motorcyclist and no ticket yet. | ||
| Ulyrider2006 |
Hi Everyone.......New to the board. Just dropping in to say Hi. I just picked up my 2006 Uly Saturday. Looking for other Buell riders in Hickory NC area. Just wanted to let everyone know that you are the reason for setting my sights on the ULY. I liked it when it first came out and everyone here convinced me to make it happen. Thanks | ||
| Rainman |
It depends upon the cop, I guess. My brother and dad were cops -- both retired -- and both always had their minds made up whether to ticket or not by the time they walked to the car. They considered how dangerous the infraction was, the speed, whether the driver seemed to be paying attention. They did not have a quota. They said almost no one ever talked their way out of a ticket but a lot of folks did talk their way into one. The motor cops around here are pretty fair. You go 15 over, they write you a ticket. They respond to where citizens complain the most and often publish in the newspaper and radio where they will be writing tickets. They're pretty easy going unless you cop an attitude. Um, don't ask me how I know that. On the other hand, several years back we had county mounties writing highway tickets in a nice little speed trap. Funny, only those with vehicle stickers from other locations got tickets. The rest of us who lived there only got warnings. | ||
| Xb9ser |
Garrette I was at Tilleys last week and saw a uley with a Drummer with a sold sign it, was that yours? I live between statesville and salisbury. Checkout C3 over in storm fronts and welcome to Bad Web Glenn  |
