| Author | Message | ||
     Roadrunr |
Spooge  I used to listen to a DJ in chicago that gave away spooge towels. | ||
| Blake |
DJ, I think the technical term is "spewage."  | ||
| Roadrunr |
Ok so the d.j. was givin away spewage towels...  | ||
| Notsip |
What is the real cause of the problem that makes everyone need a catch can? | ||
| Rick_A |
Moisture, condensation, combustion blow-by...I'd think... ...and some people have an oil spewage problem. The best solutions are ones that can separate the gas and liquid effectively. | ||
| Blake |
Overfilling the oil. Lugging the engine. Overheating engine/oil. Poor ring seal. | ||
| Aesquire |
You Don't NEED a catch can, you can just run the spewage back into the carb, lose a few HP, and make your combustion chamber dirtier, faster than using a catch can. This is NOT a H-D thing, I put catch cans on 2 Suzuki's & a Yamaha. Small but real improvement on all. | ||
| Aesquire |
I like to use the mesh from a pot scrubber tucked into a container, the idea is to separate the gas from the liquid without much restriction. Just running a filter isn't a complete solution, the liquid part of the spew clogs the filter (then drips & belches on your leg when pressure backs up). Having a container for the liquid to settle in (the clear hose thing is cute!) lets the motor breath & keeps it clean. | ||
| Rick_A |
My solution was basically a horizontal breather line hitting a perpendicular "T". Gas goes up, liquid goes down. Works real well. | ||
| Dave |
So why even give a hoot to separate the gas from the liquid if it's all coming out away from the engine? The umbrella valve is ensuring this. Why have a $13 air filter? Why drop $20-$50 or more for a catch can? I guess racing would necessitate a catch can but for anything else...why not just dump it? (EPA needs it routed back in for combustion) It seems then that the best resolve is a simple tube that drains to somewhere below the shock/exhaust free and clear of the bike. DAve | ||
| Az_M2 |
"It seems then that the best resolve is a simple tube that drains to somewhere below the shock/exhaust free and clear of the bike" That's fine if you don't mind little puddles of oil on your driveway. | ||
| Rick_A |
...or all over the rear tire. The stuff would spread over a pretty wide area after exiting the tube. It's easy to make something that costs only a few $$ and keep the crap out of the engine, road, bike, and tire. Seems like good sense to me. | ||
| Notsip |
Why don't you fix the REAL PROBLEM that CAUSES oil spewage? | ||
| Ara |
Notsip - We await your wisdom. How would one fix the real problem? | ||
| Joey |
I can tell you how to fix it. Take the engine apart, and have all the parts coated with high-temp teflon, then put it together and don't put oil in it.  Or, an easier method, put Slick-50  in it, run it for 3000 miles, then drain it and leave it empty.  How's that? Whoever tries this, let me know how long the engine lasts.  | ||
| Sarodude |
wondering if Blake will jump for that dangling Slick 50 carrot -Saro | ||
| Spiderman |
LOL Notsip If you figure out out how to stop the drip let me know I have tried a lot of after market stuff and even I deas of my own. I like that Slick 50 Idea LOL do I have to leave my drain plug off | ||
| Bads1 |
I got a better idea, don't ride it and you won't need a catch can. | ||
| Blake |
Ara, Dont overfill the oil, don't lug the engine, don't overheat engine/oil, do recondition the cylinders and install new rings. | ||
| Joey |
Blake! You disappointed me! Seems Saro sort of guessed who I was thinking of when I typed that! Spiderman--If you leave the plug out, when you do a track day, they'll say, "did you wire your oil plug?" You can say, "I don't have an oil plug." I read about a test done a few years back with a bunch of taxis doing 60,000 miles. They should have done 200,000 miles, which would have given a better picture of longevity. Slick-50 didn't seem to make a noticeable difference on engine wear. My old Jeep engine seems to have gotten better gas mileage for a little while, but it seems to be dropping as the rings continue to wear. It starts smoking when it is idling, but it did that before Slick-50. 275K and counting! Might make a good summer rebuild project. If Notsip actually has a solution, I'll try using it on my Jeep, too. Haven't cars been spewing oil back to the air cleaner for decades? I remember the first engine I saw up close--1972 Coronet 400. It had a hose coming from the rocker, um, valve cover to the air cleaner, complete with a corresponding puddle of oil. I guess the big difference (?) is the hose isn't pointing directly at the carburetor opening. | ||
| Spiderman |
Joey, Can you saftey wire a Plastic plug?? And would it be worth it | ||
| Notsip |
This is a multi-facided problem. Not just one thing is going to fix the problem. I have much experience in dealing with this problem. I learned a great deal of experience when we built the XL engine to be used for Road Racing purposes, especially for Daytona. The question is how many of you are willing to take the time and spend the money to fix the problem? If there is enough "POSITIVE" response, I will share the information. Blake and I have had our differences on another thread and have allowed our emotions get the better of both of us. This was unprofessional and I will not allow myself get involved with something like that again. And I apologize for my emotions getting the best of me. I love constructive critisism, it is healty for all, but will not condone destructive critisism. If it comes to that I refuse to participate. The silly games will continue without me and you can continue to try to figure out your problems with theory, not experience. | ||
| Bomber |
Not well, depending on the time and money required for the fix to which you allude, I'd likely be interested. If it costs a dime, and takes ten minutes, I'm on board. If it costs a grand, and takes month, thanks, but no thanks. Reality, I imagine, lies somewhere in between. That's the long answer . . .the AM Radio version is, yes, please, tell us more. | ||
| Rick_A |
Well, even if you don't have an oil problem there is still a water "problem". I'd rather not have that the little bit of slimy water going into my combustion chamber that I drain out of the catch tube everyday. Is it true that for a gallon of gas burned in the combustion chamber that a gallon of water is produced? I've heard of a lot of "fixes"...they all seem to be solutions that skirt the cause...but if your engine is in spec you shouldn't have a problem. I agree with Blake...if my lump starts spewing/burning oil you best believe I'll be saving money to rebuild it. | ||
| Joey |
Notsip--I've learned a lot at this forum, and I hope to learn a lot more. Feel free to slap me if I get out of line.  I plan to keep my little Blast! for a long time, so I would certainly like to improve it in any way feasible. I eagerly await your wisdom on how to eliminate or reduce this problem. | ||
| Sarodude |
Notsip- I'd want to hear about it! Don't mind Blake. He's just doing his job (and a fine one, at that) as operator of this BBS. I've been on quite a few BBSs for various topics and this really is among the best in terms of keeping the BS down. When any of us gets challenged, it's probably because Blake doesn't want misinformation originating or propagating from here. That is a fairly noble concern - even if it means that we were having a slug fest regarding EGT!  In the end we're all friends with at least one common interest and we all somehow get along.  I hope nobody got a picture of that Let's hear what you have to say! I'm at least curious! -Saro | ||
| Blake |
"The silly games will continue without me and you can continue to try to figure out your problems with theory, not experience." You got any experience with humility? I need some help with that. | ||
| Tornado |
Notsip- I'm on board, let's hear what you have to say! | ||
| Ravnos |
I'm interested too. | ||
| Rick_A |
I'm very curious. Let's hear it! |
