| Author | Message | ||
     Grndskpr |
Ok Mike you are correct, all but 1 of the dogs listed were bred for hunting large game, then used in the fighting rings in the native country, japan, china and england, the only odd ball is the Saffy bull terrier, which was bred to fight in england(bull dog and old english terrier), the odd ball thing is the staff bull is the smallest of the lot of Pitt dogs, with a standard of 14-16 inch height Well Blake, i am not sure what you mean by what they were bred for, the am staff crops his ears to show of its massive head(this came out of the big dog breed book) they do not however dock there tail, so you lost me, and as i look over the PITT dogs, non of them dock there tail, and the UKC prefers long ears on american pit bull terrier so i am lost again so here is your question  one of them) Why do the standards for some breeds like American Stafforshire Terriers, include docked ears and tails? Please got to:http://www.akc.org/breeds/recbreeds/amstaff.cfm it says that cropped ears are NOT prefered, actually, au natural is preffered, and tails should not be cropped so i think you may be getting breds mixed up Question 2: Are you seriously telling me you don't know the original intended purpose for your preferred breed or its forebears? I must not,(except its forebearers, the staffy bull where all pitt dogs come from) pulling is wrong, rotts were bred to pull thus the dock tail, no need for a tail in the meat wagon, (a side note however, am staffs were out lawed from pulling competition, due to the fact that nothing could out pull them, i think the record is some where around 2 tons depending on the sled type, there are 2, plus since they are in the terrier group, and not considered a draft animal, they got the boot) another side note while i am writing, a WW1 dog named stubby became the most decorated war dog and earning the rank of sergent, what rank were you Court???  So i dont know, i would like to hear you answer, and confer with the breeder, remeber the breed has only been around since the mid 1800's, there was some frontier protection work, but from what i understand cropping and docking is cosmetic(at least on current pitt dogs) | ||
| Bads1 |
Roger the Mastiff was bred for gaurding which is what the British used them for and the Romans fought.These dogs were never used for hunting.As for pulling mastiffs have pulled in access 4000 lbs. | ||
| Grndskpr |
I dont think i said they were used for hunting, but i also belive they are not part of the pitt dog base, now i am going to find the pulling records, remeber there are 2 sleds, one with wheels, one is flat, i will see what i can dig up reguarding pulling, i am really going to have to call the breeder, i will take a look at the book reguarding mastifs i really have little knowedge of those animals, but my breeder did handle a few last year or the year before, she did like them but said they were a little on the big side(i think she is under 120 lbs so they were a handfull, but they both finished) | ||
| Mark_In_Ireland |
These are what protect my wife and family when I'm away.....I don't give high odds on anyone breaking in and getting a out again in one piece. They are well trained as all dogs should be but both will go into protect mode if they sense any threat. As for the first post article, a simple command to 'stay' with any trained dog would have saved its life. I can leave both our dogs in our convertible with that command and they will not move out of the car....also very visual anti theft device...better than a CAT 1 alarm....Dog 2 alarm!!  | ||
| Court |
>>>what rank were you Court??? Rank Amatuer  | ||
| Pj1 |
Here is Buster that was our family protector for 13 years. He was a Bouvier Des Flandres and was weighed in at 150 lbs. in his prime. Once he went through a window in our house to get outside to protect my mother when the house painter raised his arms to show my mother the gutters.  | ||
| Josh |
Time for pure bred pix?  Shiba's come in 3 colors (note, bright red is Santa)  | ||
| Blake |
I believe that ears were originally cropped for combat, guard, and fighting dogs. Floppy ears are a disadvantage to a dog in combat, whether with other dogs, other animals, or humans. As I understand it, the unfortunate practice continues in recognition of the heritage and original purpose of certain breeds. | ||
| Aesquire |
I love how this has gone from a complaint about police misconduct (happens too often) to a dog lovers fun fest! My best pal has a Great Pyranes (forgive me if misspelled) about 135 lbs. great disposition, and chases away all the planes that fly over by barking. My sister just got a Standard Poodle. He is going to be a working dog & retrieve. ( they took him to the range for the first time, he hops out of the van, 30-06 goes off, right back in.) | ||
| Aesquire |
oh yeah, He's blue. | ||
| Court |
>>>>I love how this has gone from a complaint about police misconduct Frankly, that's a good thing. The cop discussion was leaning toward extreme, non-representative examples detined to enter the endless internet circular logic argument. The dog discussion evoled toward a "preferances", "passion" and generally a postive discussion. Even dogs that I don't prefer, I've learned more about and the people who've owned them, a bit of their heart. Cop bashing, particularly in NYC is a sport with no goal line. Court  | ||
| Grndskpr |
Hey Josh, you only had 2 at the Elves thing, have you goten a third since???Looks like another red has been added(3 dogs was my max, and i do not think i will ever do it again, 2 is fine, but 3 for me was over the top) As far as the cop to dog thread goes, you can only blame an officer of the law so long, till you realize, that if its on film, then there is no way to really lie, so no need, plus i will never bash someone who does a job that i would not want to at least try I believe that ears were originally cropped for combat, guard, and fighting dogs. Floppy ears are a disadvantage to a dog in combat, whether with other dogs, other animals, or humans. As I understand it, the unfortunate practice continues in recognition of the heritage and original purpose of certain breeds. Ok Blake here is one of the problems as i see it, the AKC and the UKC says you do not need to crop the ears, yet you insist on bring in past forebearers into a current bred, the reason for a croped ear on an am staff is because it is easier, you see, the dog people(the really crazy ones) want to see there dogs ears when uncroped at a specific angle to there head, and its one of the hardest things to make a dog do, so instead you crop the ears, please do not confuse a breds forebearers with the bred itself, it really make no sence, again the harley-buell example comes to mind, this line of thinking reminds me of the guy who said pitt dogs had locking jaws(no dog does, and all dogs jaws work the same way, some are just stronger than others) Did you know that a dew claw in only needed in some breeds(some require 2) in most breds it is removed because it no longer serves a purpose(and creates more unneeded work, but all dogs have them, you just can not see them some times), in wolves however they can still use it, and do especially in snow. So if you do not like ear croping, or tail docking, what about dew claw removal???(it seems Court has no problem with it, from what i can see, and i have had both) Roger | ||
| Buelliedan |
Court, I see you got all the paint off of Hobbes!! | ||
| Buelliedan |
I have 2 boxers that were rescued from the pound. Both have their tails and big floppy ears! I think ear cropping is very cruel, especially when they put wire in them. | ||
| Court |
Actually I lost Hobbes after a bout with Canine Cancer. He was my constant companion while at Buell and Gary Valine and I used to skip lunch from time to time and take him to a secret place to run and play. He went through the University of Wisconsin Canine Ocology 30 day Radiology program and outlived his disease by two years. The folks in Madison nearly refused to surrender him, they got so attached. Hobbes may have had more frequent flyer miles than most dogs, making better than 50 MKE-EWR roundtrips. It got to the point when I hit Newark airport at 5:30am on Mondays that if he'd stayed in NYC they asked if he was ok. Pratical Hint: Dogs will get you to the front of ANY long line. It was while I was in St. George, UT doing the "secret" introduction of the X-1 for the Foreign Media folks that I got the call. Hobbes had suddenly succumbed. Tim Carrithers and I spent the morning playing and that afternoon I went to a high meadow, sat and cried. It's not unrelated to why I was so quick to volunteer, when there were 19 Buells to go to Philly and room for 18 in Gary Cravillion's truck, to ride the 19th Buell 'cross the country and take time to reflect. Two years later we lost Dax, a 17 year-old German Sheperd. What a life! The "current iteration" is Jack. As so often happens with Dogs, Vick's worldly brother decided her 80+ year old Pop,living alone, needed a "companion". Brothers invovlement consisted of picking up the dog from a bar, delivering it to Pops and going "poof". The moment I saw the pancake sized paws, I saw the future. I've never had a mutt and confess that this Lab/Golden mix has our hearts. Of course, he arrived with x-rays revealing the typical hip stuff and came into our lives with about $4K worth of treatments and surgery to insure things were the best they could be. Unlike Hobbes (trained by Will Harper)and Dax, Jack's list of tricks consist pretty much of sleep, eat, romp and love. He is unaware that the term "lap dog" looses it's humor at 100#. Dogs impact your life in ways that are difficult to describe. I've yet to meet a passionate Buell person without a special dog in their life. Odd? I think not.  | ||
| Buelliedan |
Court, Thats a happy looking dog. If I won a million dollars the first thing I would do is buy an old farm where I could rescue a bunch of dogs from the pound and give them a place to run until they die of old age. | ||
| Bomber |
Dog's are the lord's most noble creatures . . . no doubt | ||
| Pammy |
Dogs are the best 'people' I know. They accept all of your flaws and love you without judgement. I don't think I could manage they happy existance that is my life without my adopted 'children'. I am down to 3 dogs and 2 cats and 1 2 legged child. My life is chock full o' love. My last adoptee is a year old mutt with some Staff Terrier in her lineage. No one would take her in partly because of her blood line. I happened to meet her in a Mall, of all places, in Valdosta Ga. I tried to ignore her but I could sense that she truly needed me. I applied for adoption...waited...was interviewed...waited...then drove several hours to bring her home. She settled in here like she was born here. She goes to work with me every morning, as do the other 2, and has a very busy day. She's kinda like the greeters they have at Walmart and the like...except she has a much better personality. She is genuinely happy to make your aquaintance and is quick to show you so. I have had 3 Neopolitan Mastiffs(as well as other breeds) in my past. 185lbs 145lbs and 110lbs, respectively. All beautiful souls, and all gave and were given the maximum capacity of love and affection. | ||
| Court |
>>>>I would do is buy an old farm where I could rescue a bunch of dogs from the pound and give them a place to run until they die of old age. I know the guy who OWNS that farm. You can buy his RS-1200 or his RR-1000 but my bet is you'd never get the farm from him. I know of another friend in WI, same drill. You might get a bike from him. not the farm. Find your own damn farm I got ahold of Bomber yesterday, actually he got ahold of me. I was a bit concerned when the NYC cell phone system went "all lines are busy". That didn't even happen (the land lines went down though) on 9-11-01. I knew he had my cell phone handy and wanted to see if he could call in. Actually, I am quite anxious, quite cautious and keenly aware of my surroundings. But, as a student of "the human condition" I am reveling in the opportunity to watch people, how they move, interact and react. I roam the city during the day, taking breaks to stop, edit pictures and chronicle what I see. Of all the times to be alive, we are in one of the most unusual, challenging and rewarding. No temporary "terror threat" can diminish the wonderment I see everyday in people, places, friends and life. The worst case scenario is that an asshole can ruin ONE day of my life. The rest are mine to do with as I please. I'll take those odds. Court | ||
| Buelliedan |
The RR1000 or RR1200 is the final part of my mission! I wish I had the 14k to buy Jim Witt's silver bullett!! | ||
| Bomber |
Court . . .. . there is NO downside to a well-developed state of situational awareness, sir . . . what you choose to do with the data gather with it is the choice you and I have discussed . . . . attitude is a choice . . . glad you've chosen the one you have . . . .. btw, as an ex-phone-company supplier wonk, all lines busy (aka "office busy" ) can happen for any one of a number of reasons, most of which would be pretty unrelated to enemy action . . . . . the most common is that, in fact, everyone is calling aunt martha and keeping the lines busy . . . the cell infrastructure is far more fragile and limited than you might imagine | ||
| Court |
>>>the cell infrastructure is far more fragile and limited than you might imagine I'd beleive that. Exacerbated, may I share, by the plethora of Financial Service Yuppies who crowd the Park Avenue area. Ya know...I was okay with them until this invisible headset, secret service, mic-in-cord deal took off. Yesterday I am sitting in Starbucks, paying my $4.87 for a cool drink, watching no less than 6 younsters who appeared to be talking to themselves. I've come to enjoy answering them and contributing to the confusion. It happens on the sidewalk as well. I am walking up lower Broadway the other day when the young lass next to me utters "how the hell are you?". I was damn good and told her so. Ditto, the guy who asked "what's going on?" You know me when I get to telling a tale. I'm betting he'll never ask aloud again. If ya like human beings who vacillate twinxt being benefactors of technology and slaves to it...well, I have have about 7 million of them performing on a stage, before my eyes, daily. If I get a job, it's going to REALLY screw up a good thing! Court | ||
| Bomber |
it used to be the only folks in the loop that apparently talked to themsleves lived in cardboard boxes on lower Wacker Drive . . . .this is, of course, no longer the case . . . | ||
| Court |
>>>>in cardboard boxes on lower Wacker Drive . . I made one of them VERY HAPPY last night with a big bag containing a left over Filet Mignon from Spark's Steakhouse last night. | ||
| Josh |
Roger, the 3rd is my brother's, she's from the same breeder and somehow related to my 2. Pretty funny walking into a PetsMart with all three and hearing the resident trainer (after several people comment) say "Yes those are Shiba Inu's they come in 3 colors and uhm well there they all are." Incidentally does anyone else enjoy taking their well behaved (and too-small to be seen) dogs into PetsMart during training classes and walking them around the training area? All the dogs go nuts and no one knows why. I think we'll stay with 2. Did you know that 2 dogs somehow manage to eat and s**t twice as much as one? Amazing but true fact. | ||
| Jrh |
Last weekend i accidently got part of a milkbone in my mouth,so i decided to chew it up.The outer layer was crunchy but too thin,the inner stuff was soft with no flavor.We could do better. | ||
| Grndskpr |
Top dog on the web site is mine, her given name was Avant Garde(we call her sassy the name comes from het being part of the 1st litter or a litter) http://www.cyber-paws.com/bearfoot/dogs3.htm Roger | ||
| Bads1 |
Great looking dog Roger.How much do your pups range in price, I mean from pet quality to show quality. | ||
| Blake |
Roger, A Buell is not a Harley Sportster, but it does share a lot of common traits. Animal instincts can be tempered through judicious breeding, but remnants of deeply ingrained instincts often remain intact albeit repressed. To think otherwise is foolish, especially for an animal capable of inflicting serious injury. A surprise dog bite is not the fault of the dog. It is the fault of the dog's owner for assuming that the dog would not bite. If a child can poke and push a hungry dog away from his dinner bowl at mealtime, that dog is probably a safe bet to never bite them. Otherwise... ? | ||
| Grndskpr |
That my friend is tuff call, depends on what she throws and who the person is, she is being bred to one of the oldest am staff kennels in the us, to one of the best males in the us, only because of the breder, he actually will end up deciding the price, i am really in it for the ride, a ballpark estimate would be 500-1500, and that does not include the first 3 picks(1 of those goes to the sire, one to the breder, and one to me, but mine is a pet quality, not really interested in the show thing again, to political) but who knows she could throw all pets, all show, all white, some blue and all the colors in the middle, as long as she is ok, i really dont care, just would like to find a pup that reminds me of my first am staff, over done, white and brindle, and more interested in having fun than being in a ring, but we will see when the time comes later Roger |
