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Stormfool
| | Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2003 - 07:04 pm: | 
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Dyna--that pic looks like something OWB would have created! Is that thing for real? |
Bykergeek
| | Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2003 - 08:50 pm: |
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Watching the "Birth of the Vrod" on discovery channel right now. That motor *IS* pretty big and wide; at least in comparison with an XL or XB motor. |
Henrik
| | Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2003 - 08:52 pm: |
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Imonabus; I'm sorry I should have been more specific 
I have absolutely no interest in a V-Rod or a "sportbike" with a V-Rod motor.
I was starting with a blank canvas, thinking along the lines of the S2/S3 with refinements similar to the XB9.
I've elaborated on that thought in a thread awhile back. May have been a Quickboard thread, where many made good suggestions for the S3 replacement.
But you're right. Not much money in that segment. But if a company could perfect the luggage, and in addition provide as stock, quick change ergonomics: drop the bars - raise the pegs for backroad scratching. Reverse the process (in 15 - 30 minutes) for the long ride home - then maybe it could be done without a loss??
Henrik |
Henrik
| | Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 12:14 am: |
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Ooops |
Henrik
| | Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 12:15 am: |
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Here are the sport touring links to the archived Quick Board thread:
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/4062/12078.html
Henrik |
Rick_A
| | Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 12:35 am: |
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The V-rod's crankcase/transmission is fairly comparable to an XL...but the heads are what is truly tremendous in comparison. |
Spiderman
| | Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 01:49 am: |
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WET SUMP I SAY IT'S THAT HUGE WET SUMP!!!  |
Mikej
| | Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 08:49 am: |
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"Erik is anti liquid cooling for his bikes. "
Was the first Buell (the 2-stroke 4-cylinder one) air, oil, or water cooled?
ps, I don't think Erik was totally interested in pure simplicity at that point in time.
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Stormfool
| | Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 08:43 pm: |
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From what I read in a Battle2win article a while back it was a totally radical aircooled two-stroke with a very complicated valve assembly that produced such incredible power in a narrow band that even Erik had a hard time keeping the beast on the ground exitting... |
Paroyboy
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 12:35 am: |
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Nope, the RW750, the first official Buell was a two stroke, square four and it was water cooled. There's an article in the Jan/Feb issue of Fuell with the details. Theres a good pic of the bike without the bodywork and the radiator is right up front. |
Mikej
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 09:11 am: |
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Yep, water.
When racing I believe Erik was interested in performance, handling, power.
In production my interpretation is that he's interested in performance, handling, roadability, efficiency in manufacturing.
That's just my take on things Erik.
I'm sure others can add more.
I'm more certain that others will correct me where I'm wrong.
I believe Erik is happiest when he sees a rider smiling, and frustrated and unhappy when he sees a rider frown. |
Davegess
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 09:46 am: |
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more info on the RW750 here
HTTP://www.davegess.com |
Buckinfubba
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 10:27 am: |
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hey dave
I went to your website and man what a good start. Reading about this history is very cool.reading about the rr's really brings back some memories. Now that I work for don tilley and see some of the history layin around and such it makes it that much cooler and talking with don about it all is cool too.
But the kicker to this story is just yesterday on monday the 20th Gene Church came home. He is working as a tech again at tilley's in the bay next to me. It was all I could do not to just want to talk to him all day about ol racing stuff but we do have our jobs to do.
he is just a quiet guy who use to race with the devil on his heels and he's lived to do another day.Man I just think it is pretty cool thats all.
seesya
bubba |
Davegess
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 11:53 am: |
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Buck, cool. If you get a chance ask him if he would be willing to talk about the RR. It may not be a real good subject to start a conversation with as it hurt him pretty bad but if you get comfortable enough to do it I would appreciate it.
I would love to talk with him about it for the web page.
Thanks |
Court
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 12:04 pm: |
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Count me among those who would very much enjoy a Gene Church, a interviewed by Dave Gess, piece. |
Turnagain
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 12:27 pm: |
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from the History section, as posted by Aaron, is this Gene?
Another question -- does the bike still exist? |
Aaron
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 01:36 pm: |
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I assumed it to be Gene since I know he rode that bike and it appears to say "Gene" on his leathers.
I've often wondered what happened to that bike. If my information is correct, John Mikosh's prototype was the first RR1000, this bike was the second, and Devin Battley has the 3rd one, which carries VIN 001. Dave, can you confirm or deny?
What I find most interesting about this bike is that's not an XR1000 lower end. I've been told it's XR750. |
Court
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 02:26 pm: |
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>>>I assumed it to be Gene since I know he rode that bike and it appears to say "Gene" on his leathers.
I'm seeing, should the EE thing ever wane, a tremendous future for you as a Private Eye |
Davegess
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 03:33 pm: |
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That is Mr. Church. Looks like maybe Daytona.
I do not know where the bike is. I recall that the HD archive might own it but I could be dreaming. It was owned by H.O.G. Don Tilley had it in his possesion and it was loaned to Buell Motor Company. Scott Zampach road it to a National title (more here http://www.davegess.com/buellhist/rr/index.htm The little tiny picture is Gene at Road America more pictures soon.)
The bottom end is indeed from an XR750, one of Don's better tricks. It also had a 5 speed close ratio gearbox that ... well I won't tell that story until Don dies 'cause if I did he would never talk to me again.
Clocked at 178 mph at Daytona is what I have heard. |
Matty
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 02:48 am: |
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Hey Bubba,
Neat! Say hi to Gene for me and welcome him back. I'm a big fan of that loon.
Does Don still have the Lucifers Hammer motor sitting under a workbench? One of his helpers filled me in on that tidbit many years ago.
That bike, the Sundance Daytona Weapons, and the S1 got me into this Buell mess. We're working on a XB version of the Hammer that we hope to have on the track by the middle of this year. |
Foolsownbuells
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 04:39 am: |
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Hello Boys, I must confess that is truly one of the ugliest bikes ever produced. The motor looks to be a complete mess with all of its ugly bits exposed as such. |
Bykergeek
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 06:31 am: |
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It is refreshing to see that the new year apparently hasn't changed Sharon in any way. Don't go changin... |
Court
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 07:36 am: |
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Sharon:
Thank you for chiming in. Having relinquished your credibility long ago, your disapproval shall surely spark renewed interest.
My bet is, if you really work for a Law Firm in New York City that you are one of those old geezers who tries to elbow herself and her shopping bag into the subway before people get out.
Lucifer's Hammer, I'd submit, was not produced to be a finely developed LOOKING bike, but a functional race development platform.
Court Canfield
REALLY in New York City |
Racerx1
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 12:07 pm: |
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Sharon, Based on its Daytona trap speed, the only asthetic you should worry about on that 20 year old ugly bike is the tail section, since thats about all you see from your new and beautifully styled Blackbird... |
Court
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 12:11 pm: |
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>>>>since thats about all you see from your new and beautifully styled Blackbird...
Wes...I love it when you talk dirty!
Court |
Davegess
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 01:24 pm: |
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Besides, the bike didn't race looking like that. The whole bottom end was covered by the sleek RR bobywork
That thing was a medical miracle. The bottom end was never meant to be joined to that top end. I'll have to ask Don Tilley how he pulled that off. |
Mikej
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 01:34 pm: |
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I think he put it together instead of pulling it off.
Was looking at a book lastnight in the bookstore and was reading a bit about short strokers and shortened cylinders and such. Interesting, from flatheads to overheads, testing goes full circle. |
Rick_A
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 03:53 pm: |
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Hell, the guts are what makes it beautiful! |
S320002
| | Posted on Thursday, January 23, 2003 - 02:45 pm: |
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Aaron,
If you have the Summer 1997 issue (volume 1 issue 4) of Battle2Win, there are pictures of a naked RR 1000 with lights and mirrors on page 67. Kip Woodring spotted it at the 1996 Del Mar Concourse D'Elegance but couldn't get any information on it.
I have no idea of the history of that bike but someone here might.
Greg |
