| Author | Message | ||
     Doughnut |
I'm not sure at this point my S3 can reach 100 unless it's going downhill.  What did you do to it! | ||
| S1eric |
Hey Uncle Bob, What Bomber said. It`s amazing to see A bike envoke so much passion, And loyalty from so many people. Even If I disagree with some of their views, Every time I meet A Bad Webber. They always offer to buy the first beer. Even after Me And Bomber locked horns At Black Hawk Farms Raceway. (insert smiley) Oh yea the offer still stands Bomber. I will be happy to drag you behind my boat as alligator Bait, when you make it to FL. S1Eric  | ||
| Doughnut |
Every time I meet A Bad Webber. They always offer to buy the first beer. Really gotta meet more of you in person. | ||
| Jeremyh |
Yeah BOB chill, we are all Angry,Greedy,Needy,Speedy, Never Satisfied human beings. Its just our nature to want, want, want. Come on i think i can honestly say there will only be about 2 in 200,000 males that would say oh i never want more out of my toy. And to just up and leave because someone stomped on your opinion on a MC forum.......I'm sorry if your pride or feelings were crushed but geese this is a forum, how you going to hold up in the physical world if you let this place get a hold of you. Don't take this all the wrong way BOB, I was totally satisfied with my XB's Power, i just wasn't satisfied with 99% of what the bike did for me. I ride the bike i ride now because yes believe it or not there is only about 1% of the bike that i don't like. Yes that 1% is just the fact that there are so many of them out there but the fact is if one person has one and its BADASS, you can bet sooner or later everyone that really wants one will get one. | ||
| M1combat |
Maybe this stems from the difference between your "old harley guy" and the current customer base that Buell attracts. "Old Harley Guys" know that these engines are exceedingly easy to work on compared to other brands and know that it really doesn't take a ton of money to get a great deal more power out of them. It's also FUN to do it. I think that Buell understands that people who want more power can have it, but they need to keep their price very competitive with their competition (Duck 999, Aprilia Mille etc...). I think they need to do that because they don't YET have the racing heritage. They will, and at that point I think they can start to charge $15K for a bike that has the same power as a 999 (keep in mind, the 999 doesn't have a lot more power, neither does the Mille). In the meen time... Take your bike to Aaron, I'm sure he can do whatever you pocketbook suggests. I know I will. Guess what... I'll still have a bike that handles "like a Buell"  . THAT is what makes it all worth it. I don't mean to bash anyone looking for more power. I'm just telling you that it's out there. It's just not in there yet. Make it happen. Why WOULDN'T you? YOU'RE the one complaining... | ||
| Seanp |
Hey all, I have a Suzuki GS500F. It's got about 35 or 40 horsepower. I typically ride around in a full Aerostich, with my tankbag full of a laptop, books, etc. - a total of about 250 lbs. I can still out-accelerate a lot of cars, and I still have a hell of a good time riding. That being said, I can easily understand wanting more power. I am going to get a Buell after my deployment. Not because it has more power, but because it handles like a dream. (I know, compared to a stock GS500F, most sportbikes handle like a dream.) Now, the fact that it's got more than twice as much power as my GS500F is a greatly appreciate added bonus. But it's not the reason I am getting a Buell. If I wanted just power, I'd get myself a 600 I4 Japanese bike, or, heaven forbid, a 1000. (And I could park it in a parking lot at a typical bike night, and lose it, because there are so many out there...) But when I rode the Buells at March Badness, (thanks Clown!) I loved having more power. I wonder if a lot of people don't appreciate the power that a Buell 1200 puts out because they started on a "beginner bike" like a 600. I started on a small bike, and so I appreciate anything above 40 HP. If I'd started on something with 80 HP or whatever an R6/CBR600/GSX-R600/Ninja 600 makes, then I'd probably be pissed that the Buell I want, with twice the displacement, only makes the same HP. But hey, it's all relative... | ||
| Bomber |
Eric -- heck bud, ya drug me round Blackhawk, then ya drug me round the Gap -- aincha gettin tired a draggin my sorry butt around after ya? I think the gators got better taste than to waste their time on a stringey ol doode like me -- now, offer em up something tastier . . . . . . ;-} | ||
| Ceejay |
I like it, love it that my buell has more balls now, goes as fast as I'll ever need it to, and I'm sorry I don't have the education to know what the hell would happen by stuffing a rotax in an XB, or even if i think it would be cool. I would like to hop on my bike knowing that I did some fun stuff to it, I like tinkering-with non computerized things, and as society as a whole hurtles forward in the name of progress, I often ask if we really are progressing, I spend more time at work, less time dicking off/riding, all to what, make someone else richer or so I might have a faster machine that I now can't work on because I don't have a laptop, software, and cable hook up to diagnose what's wrong with it, when the true problem is I need to beat the electronics up with a hammer, slap a carb in it be happy with my "paltry 95 horsepower."  | ||
| Budo |
The problem here is that you said 'need'. No one needs a motorcycle in the first place. We want them. No one needs more than oh, 40hp, probably. It is just that many of us like lots of power just because it is fun to accelerate that hard. Motorbikes are all about fun, right? | ||
| Ceejay |
Need and want are the same thing just ask my wife  | ||
| Uncle_bob |
All points taken guys. Didn't mean for this thread to make anybody go off. Really. I'd love to have an extra 10 or 15 HP too. However, that being said, I'm not disappointed in my bike because it doesn't have that extra HP. Maybe I should have rephrased the question to how much horsepower do you want, instead. I've ridden a Kaw ZX7R, a CBR 1000 and other very powerful bikes. Are they fast? Heck yes! Does anybody need something like that? Probably not, but thank God we live in a place where we can choose to to buy and ride whatever the heck we want. I have nothing against powerful motorcycles or the people that ride them. If I ever get to meet any of you in person, I'll buy the first round of beers}.  | ||
| Dano_12s |
Buells are made to be back road curve burners,not to many bikes can keep up/pass these bikes in this enviroment.They are not straight line shooters.I would like to know how many have done track days? | ||
| Psychobueller |
"I'm not sure at this point my S3 can reach 100 unless it's going downhill." My M2 has no problem blasting past 100 mph with impunity, but travelling that fast on public roads is insane, at least in the Northeast. I think that something is terribly wrong with your S3 if it can't pull 100mph. | ||
| Jeremyh |
Not as a defensive defense for Japanese bikes but i have to ask. How many times do you watch any superbike races where all they do is straight line shooting. The point here is obviously they were designed to do much more than haul arse on the straights. Also....no this does not mean that i don't realize that Buells were designed more for the back road twisties. Personally i think the balance between Handling and Handler are equally important. and YES there is something wrong if your S3 cannot reach 100mph. If my wifes Single Cylinder Air cooled 650cc Suzuki can hit 90mph your bike should easily top that. (Message edited by jeremyh on July 26, 2005) | ||
| Blake |
I KNOW something is terribly wrong if any Buell big twin cannot pull 100 mph. Rocket, So you think that if Buell sells a bike that will make 150 mph the crowd clamoring for more power will go away? I'm not sure about that. As long as there are 180 mph bikes being sold for $10K, not sure it will ever go away. I wonder, what was the iconic pin-up superbike of the 1970's, and what kind of power was it making? Yes a bit more power would be good. With all else being equal, which would you rather have, a bike that makes 100RWHP at 7,500 rpm or one that makes 110RWHP at 13,000 rpm? I guess I'm not willing to sacrifice everything I dig about the Buell V-Twin for a bit more HP. I don't want a radiator. I don't want valve adjustments. I don't want multiple throttle bodies. I don't want inferior fuel efficiency. I don't want four cylinders, unless perhaps it is configured in a big-bang pseudo-twin configuration. Yeah, I want more power, I spent some money to get it. With a fairing and proper gearing, I know the old Cyclone will breach 150 mph too. Making peak speed is as much about aerodynamics as it is power. I think that leads me to an important revelation. Naked bikes and their riders don't suffer high speed well, so even ignoring the insanity of going that fast on a public road not the Autobahn, maybe most of us who prefer the naked sport bike simply don't see any need to make 150 mph as to us it seems insane, painful even, a completely different view from those who prefer fully faired bikes where 150 mph can be a sensory walk in the park, like on a Busa for instance. But maybe we might want to accelerate harder to 120 mph before scaring ourselves in the ensuing category-3 hurricane and dropping back to a nice 80 mph cruise. What is the big difference in effect from 120 to 150 mph you ask? Only 56% more wind force is all. So maybe that is whey many don't see a need for more power. First, they don't prop up their egos via the peak HP or peak speed of their motorcycle. Second, they don't have any desire to exceed low triple digit speeds. And third, they are not into racing on the street. Me? I just like to be able to accelerate hard enough that the front wheel will catch a little air when shifting from 2nd to 3rd gear at 70 mph. | ||
| Jeremyh |
sorry blake but valve adjustments.......this is something that only needs to be done around every 10-15k miles depending on your ride style. Granted, if you ride the living snought out of your IL4 every gear every day every stop and go then yes this might be a pain in the rear but in all practical riding a valve adjustment every 10-15k is not really anything for me to complain about. | ||
| Pammy |
"I wonder, what was the iconic pin-up superbike of the 1970's" The Infamous Kawasaki H2, of course. Wes used to race Pro Stock on one of those unruly beasts. | ||
| Dsergison |
"So you think that if Buell sells a bike that will make 150 mph the crowd clamoring for more power will go away?" maybe not. but I'll stand in line to buy one. | ||
| M1combat |
"sorry blake but valve adjustments.......this is something that only needs to be done around every 10-15k miles depending on your ride style. " It depends on the bike too... The ducks like to be done at 6K. | ||
| Blake |
Jeremy, I hate IL4 motorcycle engines. So that kills it for me anyway. That is my own personal opinion as was the rest of what I offered above. But I am sure there are twins with similar valvetrain maintenance intervals. I don't want ANY required valve adjustments. I don't ever want my bike in the shop for anything routine ever and I'm not at all eager to be doing valve lash checking/adjusting myself, especially on an engine with sixteen or even twenty friggin valves! LOL. With the Buells, I have ZERO reason to ever take it to the shop for routine maintenance, ever. What about TPS reset you say... A buddy of mine has the aftermarket setup to handle that, and I would gladly pay the few hundred dollars to obtain it if necessary. No dealer/shop maintenance ever. That is HUGE for me. Again, my opinion. I don't expect or even want others to share it. | ||
| Blake |
Thanks Pammy. Yech, a two-stroke! | ||
| Jeremyh |
funny i don't remember mentioning the TPS. maybe i am just losing my sight. as far as the ducks are concerned...i think anyone who can afford to pay for a 20k bike can or atleast should be able to afford any maintanance. other wise you'd be just like the moron that bought a Ferrari but doesnt want to drive it because it cost him 200 buck for an oil change. (Message edited by jeremyh on July 26, 2005) | ||
| Budo |
"sorry blake but valve adjustments.......this is something that only needs to be done around every 10-15k miles depending on your ride style. " "It depends on the bike too... The ducks like to be done at 6K." I dunno about other bikes but my FZ1 calls for a valve check at 25k miles, I am almost there. And in these 24k miles I have on the bike I have had zero problems, change the oil/filter, adjust/lube the chain. Oh, and it puts about 120hp to the ground. | ||
| Tramp |
Blake said: "What is the big difference in effect from 120 to 150 mph you ask? Only 56% more wind force is all. " EXCELLENT point!!!!!!!! | ||
| Budo |
Sure, few folks will run a bike up to 150mph. So, how fast is a Corvette? How many people will wring out a 'vette to see what it will do? Just how many 'Vetts are sold? Just because the power is there does not mean it has to be used. | ||
| Jeremyh |
my Mazda Rx-8 will tap out at 149MPH and fuel cut off is at 10k rpms. No i don't ever drive it at 150mph but you can bet your arse i do rev the bastrd out to 9k just for the thrill of it all. Do i need to NO do i want to YES....Preference Now that we are way off subject here is another reason to have an IL4. A few of the local BUELLERS here like to chase down the IL4's just for the sake of doing so and feeling better about themselves. You might be thinking....how do i really know...well because i have ridden with a few of them. Now as far as being able to do 138 vs 150 or just flat out being able to outrun a BUELL might be considered a good thing for some IL4 riders where you live. (Message edited by jeremyh on July 26, 2005) | ||
| Blake |
jeremy, Was anticipating and trying to be honest. Bottom line, I don't want to have to bring my motorcycle to the dealership or other shop for routine maintenance. Budo, Good for you. My Buell never needs valve adjustments. Glad you are happy with your trade for the FZ1. Maybe you'd be happier on an FZ1 enthusiasts' board? Might want to read Rocket's reply to my post where he proffered that Buell really should offer a 150 mph capable motorcycle. No I gott a make myself scarce as I sense that Tramp is fixin' to hit me up for a loan.  Thanks for the nice words lately senior. | ||
| Tramp |
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| Dago |
What floors me is watching the fanatics around here rant about how you're an idiot or a squid for wanting more power, yet talk endlessly about this mod or that in hopes of gaining another 2 hp.  Well I think if you cut your airbox like so, the aerodynamics principles in play will... blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Slaughter |
I never had to adjust the valves on my RD400 |
