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Blake
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 12:52 pm: | 
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me, I'm not hung up on national origin"
Maybe I need to clarify on account of that sounds a bit like a shot at one of my prior comments. 
"Not hung up on national origin"? Me neither, but I like the American heritage of my Buell's engine. I like the Italian heritage of the Ducati Desmo mills. I like the German heritage of the BMW boxer engine. But since I pretty much hate IL4 engines in a motorcycle, British, Italian, German or Japanese or otherwise, I don't care much for their heritage either. |
Tramp
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 01:23 pm: |
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Wish I'd said it like that |
Bomber
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 01:29 pm: |
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not a shot at you, Blake, simply a general statement
bellieve me, I can be accurate with shots when I wish to (although I try to avoid doing so here, as per your requests, and as I promised when I joined the community) -- wasn't lock n loaded, didn't even have the weapon unlimbered, for goodness sakes
you'll have to find something else to defend against |
Blake
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 03:50 pm: |
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A guy who calls himself "Bomber" threatens that he can be deadly accurate but is not taking a shot at me. Sorry, I've got you in my sights and I ain't backing off yet.  I feel terribly maligned and I demand total satisfaction. You shall bleed and beg for mercy. Remember, I can do stuff to usernames. The horror.  |
Budo
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 04:10 pm: |
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Talk about beating a dead hourse. We have been working over this topic since the late 90's. I like the Suzuki SV1000 alot. The motor puts about 100hp to the ground, maybe 105, pulls very well thru out the rev range to about 11,500 or so. A buddy of mine has one, very neat bike, very fun to ride, everything I would like to see in a Buell. Sadly we will never see anything like it in a Buell because HD has Buell for the sole purpose of getting younger riders into the HD fold. HD demographics are a rapidly aging and graying bunch. So, when you get too old and creaky for the XB, HD has a nice Road King for you. Really, no joke. That is why you will never see a true stand alone Buell shop nor will you ever see Buells sold in a multi brand shop. That is also why the motor will not change from a Sporster type looking unit. HD want's to be able to point at the Buell motor and make the connection to the Sporster and other HD products, and that folks, is all there is to that. Now some of us find the >ride a Buell get old and move to a Dyna scenario, ummm, unrealistic but there it is. I will go out on a limb and say that 98% of the people who are Buell fans and riders would never consider buying a HD, for a varity of reasons. I do see plenty of old folks driving sports cars, Corvettes, and Porsches. Who says I can't ride a sport bike when I am 50? Oh, wait I am 50 and I do ride a sport touring bike (Yamaha FZ1). All kidding aside I firmly believe that people that like sport bikes very seldom make the switch to crusers especially like HD. With the exception of power crusers like the V-Rod and Yamaha Warrior and Victory Hammer, etc..... YMMV |
Budo
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 04:29 pm: |
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Quote:'Remember, I can do stuff to usernames'
Oh, oh, do me do me. |
Wyckedflesh
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 04:31 pm: |
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I have always liked the smaller aircooled HD style engines, ever since I was a little kid riding a sprint 250 and my uncles shovester. To me it is what I want in an engine. I would like some more acceleration, but otherwise the engine in my Buell does it for me. I have had hyper 600's, and other small bore IL4's, but none have ever been so on demand when it comes to delivery. Overall I just prefer twins, either parrallel or V style, doesn't matter. Watercooled with a higher redline I just am not certain if its what I want in a motorcycle for the grin factor. |
Bomber
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 05:30 pm: |
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Budo -- that there are politics in the Buell/HD relationship should surprise no one, as there are politics in any relationship -- when $$ are invovled, they only increase
while the relationship may be a limiting factor in some arenas, I would submit 2 items for your consideration
1 Buell riders will confound the Iron Tower if they expect us all to migrate to baggers at 50 (me, I'm 55, and have no intention of considering a bagger of any kind til I'm 65) -- that's the dark side of the relationship, the expectation that we'll all move "up" to a V-Rod . . . I think they are beginning to get the message, and the core of the sporty mill in Buells ain't all bad, yes? insert smiley
2 if it wasn't for HD, or some other large company with deep enough pockets, I would never have had the opportunity to get my mitts on a Buell -- lusted after em mightily when they were indies, but couldn't afford them. (I predict, great wizard that I am,that the coming decade or so will see many of the "indie" manufacuturers disappear under the weight of ever more stringant fed and world wide regs, btw) -- that's the up side, very cool, technically innovative bikes that suit a large (and, perhaps, growing) portion of the market that are affordable, rather than being coach built
Blake -- I ain't scared, hoss -- I've seen it before, and I'm still here insert nuther smiley |
Budo
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 06:01 pm: |
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Bomber, I am not saying that it is a bad thing, company politics, just that hoping for a different, i.e. liquid cooled, over head cam motor, is not going to happen. |
Budo
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 06:03 pm: |
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"So with people always posting here that they want more performance and something that can compete with 600's and 1000's which is more important?"
You may mean, what is important to you? Buy whatever makes you grin, that is all that matters. If Buell does not have the motor that you want, look elsewhere, there are lots of bikes out there, pretty much something for everyone. |
Mbsween
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 08:33 pm: |
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Hey why not be different than everyone else, a 100 rear wheel HP , air cooled win, with either pushrods or overhead cams.
You'd still get whipped by IL4s (Japanese or German) in a straight line, but who cares? I think that would make an awesome ride, especially if it weighed in around 375 - 400 lbs wet.
I love the narrowness of the twin, And the instant response to the right wrist is cool. I also own an IL4, which is different, but fun and an IL3 2 stroke, which is a lot of fun. I'm hoping to add a boxer, just to cover the bases
But I hate water cooled motorcycles and motorcycles that hide their motors etc behind fairings. Hence my like of the Buell |
Jersey_thunder
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 09:07 pm: |
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I'M NOT A FAN OF "HARLEY DAVIDSONS"...AND I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF SPORTSTER MOTORS,BUT,I AM A FAN OF ERIK BUELL, AND HIS CREATIONS!!
JT |
Johncr250
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 10:32 pm: |
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Common who doesn`t think their Buell would be alot more fun to ride with 25 or 30 more HP and a 6th gear for cruising on the highway?
The XB is an has a awesome chasis, now its time for an awesome motor please! |
Blasterd
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 10:47 pm: |
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Best statement I've heard in a while! My feelings as well.
Ken
"But since I pretty much hate IL4 engines in a motorcycle, British, Italian, German or Japanese or otherwise, I don't care much for their heritage either." |
Buell_less
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 11:13 pm: |
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I've owned an air-cooled V-twin (Guzzi LeMans), air-cooled vertical twin (Kawa KZ750), air/oil-cooled inline fours from 400 (Suzuki Bandit) to 1200cc (Yamaha FJ1200) and in-between (2 Hondas and a Kawasaki), a water-cooled V-four (Honda VFR) and now my water-cooled Triumph triple. I must be a moto-slut 'cause I liked 'em all. If I had the money I'd have another vertical twin (Thruxton) and another V-twin (or two, Buell and another LeMans) sitting in the garage next to the Trophy. And if I had lots of money I'd have one of those Bavarian Battle Cruisers (K1200LT) in there too.
I don't buy engines; I buy motorcycles that I like.
(Message edited by buell_less on July 20, 2005) |
Tramp
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 11:30 pm: |
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i always considered the guzzi (& the indian 841)to be an upswept flat twin |
Ryker77
| | Posted on Thursday, July 21, 2005 - 08:16 am: |
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we should be happy that the Buell is for sale at such a good price. No other bikes compare. Confederate cycles is about the closest AMERICAN v-twin that I would own. used 20k new 60k!
If you want a v-twin, air cooled, that meets EPA then you have only one brand choice BUELL! edit AMERICAN bike that can be serviced with simple hand tools.. I guess that kinda knocks out the XB's
(Message edited by ryker77 on July 21, 2005) |
Rick_a
| | Posted on Thursday, July 21, 2005 - 08:18 am: |
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I think 6th gear is useless unless you do a lot of highway riding.
quote:I will go out on a limb and say that 98% of the people who are Buell fans and riders would never consider buying a HD
I would love to have a replica AMA 883 SportTwins roadracer. |
Budo
| | Posted on Thursday, July 21, 2005 - 11:51 am: |
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Ok, Rick I should have qualified that with HD cruser. I would love to have a XR750 Flat Tracker.
'If you want a v-twin, air cooled, that meets EPA then you have only one brand choice BUELL!'
Can you say Ducati Monster? Moto-Guzzi? Cruser, Yamaha V-star, air-cooled pushrod v--twin. |
Knickers
| | Posted on Thursday, July 21, 2005 - 12:05 pm: |
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Who doesn't like more power. But if I'm going to buy another Buell I want it to stay different. Do something different than the usual water cooled short stroke 90 degree twin. How about this. Since Buell is so successful at the emissions and fuel economy thing (how many new engines have we seen come out weighted down with catalytic converters) let's keep it air cooled. But how about a 60degree angle to the V. It cuts down on vibration and allows for a bigger bore, shorter stroke, high rpm engine. With the longer wheelbase of an adventure bike you should be able to fit the additional length. Keep the knife & fork con rods so it stays nice and narrow. Keep the pushrod valvetrain so its nice and short, or at most cam in head if you need to reduce the valvetrain mass for the higher rpm. Make it 4V per cylinder cause we'll need the increased valve area to go with the bigger bore. Sounds good to me but would it ever happen? At Buell's volumes its going to cost a bundle to tool up a new engine so unless Harley commits heresy in putting a non 45 degree engine in a sportster it would never happen. |
Buell_less
| | Posted on Thursday, July 21, 2005 - 04:51 pm: |
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Tramp said:
i always considered the guzzi (& the indian 841)to be an upswept flat twin
Er, why? Maybe a BMW flat twin is just, as the joke says, a Guzzi with droopy t!ts. Moto Guzzi, BTW, calls it a V-twin in their specs.
(Message edited by buell_less on July 21, 2005)
(Message edited by buell_less on July 21, 2005) |
Tramp
| | Posted on Thursday, July 21, 2005 - 08:28 pm: |
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i was being intentionally silly.
we had a numbnuts from germany who professed that the guzzi (he didn't much like 'em) was technically a flat twin like the bmw (remember, a BMW is, technically, NOT an opposed twin, as a true opposed twin is not offset and the cylinders are inline, but that's another marine diesel story) and harley davidsons were true v-twins, being the crank ran parallel to the driveaxle, and the bms and guzzis' cranks ran perpendicular.
thsi went over Ok until I raised my amerikaner hand and politely inquired about the original american v8 engines in automobiles, and their perpendicular crank/axle attitude.
we didn't really get along so *gut* |
Ceejay
| | Posted on Thursday, July 21, 2005 - 09:03 pm: |
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That's understandable, A guy I work with, mech enganeer according to his paper on the wall told me that both his front and rear brakes on his BMW scoot are applied when using the foot pedal... |
Tramp
| | Posted on Thursday, July 21, 2005 - 10:01 pm: |
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I love it
...hope I'm not insulting anyone here, but bmw techs tend to be a&p dropouts with a taste for polysyllabic techno-banter and a deep fear of getting greasy |
Ceejay
| | Posted on Thursday, July 21, 2005 - 10:05 pm: |
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Same guy was worried about his tank leaking so he put one of those pour in liners inside, now he keeps asking me to rebuild his carbs, |
Buell_less
| | Posted on Thursday, July 21, 2005 - 11:28 pm: |
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Tramp said:
i was being intentionally silly.
Had me going there. I occasionally run across a few guys on a Guzzi forum who insist that the Guzzi engine is a "transverse V-twin," which is utterly wrong and drives me completely nuts. This sounded like it was going there.
Never mind!  |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Friday, July 22, 2005 - 05:27 am: |
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Motorcycle wise I've pleasured the delights of two and four stroke machines though unbelievably I've never ridden a turbo or supercharged bike more's the pity.
I've owned singles twins triples and fours and even ridden a six and I've always found everyone of them in their own context had something great about them.
In the case of the four stroke twins which loads of us have messed with over the years I think the most boring one I ever owned was Yamaha 650. With hind sight it's easy to dismiss Triumph's parallel twin when you've progressed to the Sportster motor. Triumph you could always make 'em rev from the get go. The secret was to keep them together long enough to enjoy! The Sporty motor though well it always felt like it could pull tree stumps out of the ground in comparison to the old Triumph lump. A wave of torque that you could ride and when you apply that to Buell the game goes up several leagues and that's what makes the Buell so great.
As for other motors I'd never rule out a triple or a four. Triples are awesome beasts and have a very exclusive exhaust bark free of charge! I find triples a bit magical to be honest yet I've no desire to own a triple just because it is well a triple I guess. They're magical alright though because they deliver unbelievable power. I hear Triumph are making the triple their trademark motor of choice for the future when they drop the four from their range this year. That's understandable given the performance the Triumph triple is revered for these days.
The four! I know what the BadWeB caters for but how can anyone seriously not like a four cylinder motor when all the planets are aligned. There's simply just so much scope to play with and when you consider how compact and light a modern four motor can be made to be and how much power and performance they offer without compromising the rideability of the machine, the mind simply boggles.
Did I mention the Ducati desmoquattro V twins? You're just gonna have to experience that wave of adrenalin for yourself otherwise I could start a flame war here if I was to explain it 
Rocket |
12r
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Jlnance
| | Posted on Friday, July 22, 2005 - 06:42 am: |
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remember, a BMW is, technically, NOT an opposed twin, as a true opposed twin is not offset and the cylinders are inline
 Was just wondering if it would be technically correct to call an opposed twin a "2 cylinder rotary" engine (yes?). Then it occured to me how many different things I can call my Blast engine:
1 cylinder rotary
inline 1
V 1
flat 1
Or my favorite from HD marketing:
half a V twin. |
Tramp
| | Posted on Friday, July 22, 2005 - 09:09 am: |
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if it has pistons it's no wankel.
call your v-win/half-a-v engine a "1/10 radial" (blast) or a 1/5 radial (twin) and check the responses.
flboys and flybuffs'll unnerstan' completely.... |
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