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     Dago |
Does anyone know where to get vid of those fantastic last two laps of the Moto GP race in Spain on April 10th (I think)? I caught it on Speed, but am itchin' to watch it again. Thanks in advance. | ||
| Danvetc |
Here's some video of the last two laps with different commentary than Speed Channel had: http://www.helmetcam.org/motogp/jerez05.wmv Charlie | ||
| Imonabuss |
Unforgivable rude riding from Valentino. He absolutely could have made the corner without running Sete off. It was a conscious decision to force Giberneau off the track. I used to be a huge fan, but from now on I will be rooting for anyone but Rossi. Hope the little b*****d gets taken out by someone this year. | ||
| Dago |
I hear ya...It sure wasn't very "gentlemenly" of him. But it sure as hell was exciting! One things for sure: that guy painted a target on his back for some retribution. Thanks for the link! | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
I am sorry, maybe you guys have seen a different view then what I have, but in all the footage I have seen, Sete is the one who TURNS INTO Rossi, Rossi held his line, if Sete had braked a bit harder, Rossi would have shot past, and Sete could have shot inside and won the race, but he didn't, he CHOSE to try and close the door on Rossi a tad too late. With the line Rossi had, there was no way he was going to cut that corner tighter, he was probably hoping that Sete would run wide with him and simply stay to the outside. I honestly don't think Rossi expected Sete to turn in at that point, he was already there alongside Sete, and set in the line, and carrying more speed. | ||
| Oddbawl |
I'd say they were both riding the wheels off those bikes at 110% and it was bound to happen regardless of fault. Remember Rainey and Schwantz going at it? Giberneau would be crying about it even if he won. Best race I've seen in a while. | ||
| Koz5150 |
"He didn't hit you, nudge you or bump you. He rubbed you, and son, rubbing is racing..." | ||
| Koz5150 |
Oh yeah, thanks for posting the video link, I don't get speed channel and that was great to watch! | ||
| Nemster |
That was badass!!!!!  | ||
| Rocketman |
he was already there alongside Sete, and set in the line, and carrying more speed. I'd agree Wyked, carrying too much speed and thus on the wrong line to have made that corner in that manner without Gibernau to bounce off. But that's what makes Rossi the track genius he is. I think he saw a split second opportunity to either get the result he wanted, which is what the outcome was, or at least try and stop Gibernau finishing. Ask yourself this. What would we and the racing world be saying if the result of that incident remained the same with one exception, Gibernau fell in the kitty litter? Would the majority still see Rossi as the unstoppable golden boy? Would Spain be seeking Rossi's head on a silver salver? In my book Rossi's move was a professional foul. Professional because it was premeditated and supported by the fact he made no effort to relinquish the corner or back out of his mistake. Instead he saw an opportunity to continue into the corner with a possible favourable result - and that's what he got. Frankly, as I've watched Rossi battle off the track with Biaggi and now Gibernau I can't help but think what a •••• sure little prick he is. Me, I can't wait until he goes to F1. He and Schumacher would make great bed partners at Ferrari and I'd rather see F1 ruined than MotoGP because of his constant winning - and sometimes cheating. Remember when Schumacher was leading the F1 championship in 94 behind the wheel of a Beneton? That season launch control was banned yet Schumacher left the line for the first three races like a Saturn 5 was strapped behind him. Senna suspected Beneton were cheating and had said as much to some people it mattered to. At the end of the season Senna's suspicions were found true in one sense but it all got brushed under the carpet because no one could prove Schumacher had used the hidden program but more importantly Senna was dead and the sport was in mourning. Hanging in public the new kid on the block - what would that have achieved except more negatives. Senna dead, Prost and Mansell retired. There was simply no one left to set the pace of the three previous greats except Schumacher and the sport must live on at all costs. So ask yourself another question. Without Rossi in MotoGP who are the current greats? Who is the Doohan Rainey Roberts or Schwantz or does not one exist except Rossi? That's why some can get away with cheating. Rocket | ||
| Reepicheep |
Funny, I wonder if we are all watching the same video. It looked to me like Rossi flat out ran him off the track. | ||
| Ingemar |
I guess it doesn't matter how good someone is, there's always people who can find something to whine about. He rules the track and from what I've seen and heard about the man he's a cool dude. The margin by which they can win today exist solely of these kind of opportunities. It isn't the same as in the old days with Sheene. Times change if you like it or not. I'd love to watch old videos with Sheene and a bit later with Gardner and Lawson, but I love to watch Rossi too. It has become a different game, just how many of the old rules apply to todays' race? So much has changed. I like it. | ||
| Crusty |
It has become a different game, just how many of the old rules apply to todays' race? Like the epic race between Kenny Roberts and Freddy Spencer? | ||
| Bud |
http://www.fliqs.com/display.php?m=747  | ||
| Spike |
I just don't know. I've watched the video several times. It's pretty clear that Sete turned into Rossi, but it's also clear that Rossi had completely blown the corner. Sete had already turned in, set his line, and put his knee down while Rossi was still upright and on the brakes with his inside foot off the peg. Both of them were in way deep, but Rossi was in deeper. Without Sete to bump into Rossi might not have even stayed on the track. When your line is so bad that your ability to stay on the track is in question- you're obviously in error. On the other hand, if Sete had just waited a little longer to turn in Rossi would likely have blown right by him and Sete would be in position for a perfect pass-back, just like he had done two corners earlier. Then again, Sete might not have even seen Rossi inside of him until right before he made contact. Sete appeared to be running a defensive line and was already in deep, I doubt he expected Rossi to be there. Also, Rossi was still "behind" Sete until they made contact. Considering that, it's unlikely that Sete knew Rossi was inside of him. I'd say the error belongs to Rossi, and that's where it really gets me. How long have we been watching Rossi rule the track? How often does he make mistakes like this? From what I have seen Rossi rarely makes mistakes. He's usually the cool headed one that follows until the lead rider makes a mistake, then he goes for the pass. For Rossi to make a mistake like this makes one wonder if it was a mistake at all. Would he really intentionally run a bad line to force another rider off track? Then again, we just watched him struggle for the last few laps. He was obviously working very hard and clearly struggling with Sete. This could have been a legitimate error by a rider who was clearly at the edge of his personal limits. In the end, none of us were inside Rossi's or Sete's helmets. We'll never really know what their thoughts were. At this point, it's unlikely either of them can even accurately recall what their thoughts were while in full-tilt-boogie mode. It's fortunate that no one was hurt, but I think we'll just have to chalk this one up to racing. Mike Luddy, Jr. '04 XB12R (on track this Saturday) '05 Mazda3 Hatch | ||
| Outrider |
Unforgivable rude riding from Valentino. Interesting Comment and I agree. Still, the other gentleman that used Harvey Mushman as an alias made Valentino look like an amateur when it comes to rude riding in competition. LOL Fortunately, the prize money (which was peanuts) and notoriety were not his goals. He was just there for the fun of it with his close friends. | ||
| Anonymous |
Sorry, I was a pro riding at the highest level, and Rossi is indeed a dick for this move. Unquestionably he got in too hot as you can see by the way he has his foot off the peg. Sete moved over to give him room, and then Rossi ran him off after the bike was already stood up. I have battled with and rubbed shoulders with guys at 170 mph to get my fair share of the corner, but would never have done what Rossi did. Admittedly he's not the first, nor will he be the last, but that doesn't make him any less the jerk. It is perfectly fine to battle for the lead, but only the jerks will force a guy off the track to the likelihood of a severe injury. Only hope he gets his just desserts this season. He needs to bite the ground hard once. | ||
| Danvetc |
Check this thread when we discussed it before. The overhead view photos I posted of the chosen lines pretty much tells it all, for me. Rossi can't stay on the track from his angle...without some help. http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/32777/108359.html Charlie | ||
| M1combat |
I've watched replays from above... Not only did Rossi hit Gibers (he was about 1' behind him when they hit) but he ALSO followed him out to the edge of the track at less than optimal lean angle. He could have turned back into the corner, but he didn't. He chased Sete CLEAR OFF the track. You can't see that from the Eurosport clip posted above, but the replays on the speed channel showed it quite clearly. Yes, if Sete hadn't turned in there, there wouldn't have been an incident, but Rossi was clearly behind and by a decent length when Sete turned in for the apex. Rossi pushed Sete off the road. ALL THE WAY off the road. When they bumped, Rossi's handlebar hit Sete's shoulder. It was Sete's track. Also, Rossi was not all the way to the inside. Had he actually been in full control, he would have been, and again, the incident wouldn't have happened. What really rings my bell about the whole thing is that Rossi (after "the bump" pushed Sete off the track and didn't need to. I could see if he was at max angle and couldn't turn any sharper, but he wasn't, he was pushing Sete off the track. The moment it became clear that Sete could not stay on the track, Rossi then turned in and headed for the checkered flag. | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
I am not argueing that Rossi's choice of line was wrong, nor am I argueing what would have happened to Rossi had he NOT bounced off Gibernau. What I do have a problem with is that if you watch the lines, it was Gibernau who changed directions into Rossi, not the other way round. the still shots Dan has posted in the other thread shows 1 bike width apart with both riders side by side going into the corner, the next shows Gibernau in full lean colliding with Rossi, but Rossi still on the same line. I beleive honestly that both riders were at fault. Rossi for taking a line that was going to possibly carry both riders way wide as has been surmised, and Gibernau for misjudging Rossi's speed and tryng to undercut him before he had gone past. As I said previously, with the speed Rossi was carrying and as inside in the corner, I don't care how good he is, I seriously doubt he would have made that corner without loosing the spot, but Gibernau, was in the perfect position to allow Rossi the position going into the corner and take it back by cutting back inside once Rossi passed, and he didn't, instead he hard turned into Rossi. Unless someone can show me another view that shows Rossi taking his line to the right as Gibernau is setting up for the left, all I see on the video is Rossi holding the line he chose, and Gibernau changing lines and colliding with Rossi. Am I a Rossi fan? I was, and I do have respect for his riding skills, but as with many of you, I too am tired of seeing him win all the time, just like Schumacher, McGrath, Carmicheal, Gordon or anyone else who wins over and over and over and makes the other riders seem like unschooled kids. I truly like what some of the other motorsports divisions have done, if you win, you get a so many pound ballast. Keep winning, they add on some more. Stay in the top so many and the ballast stays, finish out of the points and the ballast comes out. Maybe that is what MotoGP and F1 need. Hell even Nascar could probably use it to cause even more arguements  | ||
| Ingemar |
After watching this several times I must indeed agree that what Rossi did was greedy. On the other hand, Gibernau should have thought twice about taking the corner that way. He may not have had a change though, considering the way they came out of the previous corner. If it was possible at all, he should have been more defensive. Anyway, one hell of a ride. I'm up for a party 'cos I'm going to the GP in Assen on 25th of june. My birthday present!! Yeehaw! | ||
| M1combat |
Mostly agreed on all points... Sete should have backed off for a double pass. He didn't, but the track was his. It's Rossi's responsibility to get around w/o a collision. As I said though, what really gets my goat about the whole thing is how Rossi followed Sete out to the dirt and ran him off the track. I pretty much agree that the bump itself was mostly a racing incident (although Rossi's clip-on hit Sete's shoulder, Sete was in front, therefor... he owned the track) but Rossi pushed Sete all the way off the track. That was wrong. Also... You don't go into a corner all sorts of crossed up with one foot off the peg and slam into another pilot on accident. That's a blatant stuff, and it's sad that people still win races like that at the top level. It's like someone in a club race reaching over, turning your key to off, REMOVING your key, and dropping it on the track for you to find when the day is over. Rossi should have setup WAY outside, VERY late apex and passed Sete down the straight if he could. The reason Sete was ahead was because Rossi made a mistake all of his own accord. He then got back around via bash-n-pass. Not right. Not sportsman like at all. A real consumate professional would literally have waited before the start/finish for Sete to cross, then slowly crossed the line as long as no one else came around before Sete got out of the sand box. Really... |
