| Author | Message | ||
     Buelluk |
Rek, ..No, I only live two miles from our corporate office, you are right about the refineries, you don't want to live close to them BTW..Road thing... has it right it's Chinese demand for oil which is screwing us at the moment (Message edited by buelluk on March 29, 2005) | ||
| Josh_ |
Logical statement of facts: Blake 1 Oki 0 Intelligent presentation: Blake 1 Oki 0 Grammar and spelling: Blake 1 Oki -1 Most colorful and useless rebuttals: Blake 0 Oki 1 I hereby declare Blake the winner and official champion of free markets. We'll do this again in a few weeks, right here so please come back! Don't forget to tip your bartenders and wait staff. | ||
| Blake |
Rek, Amazing how the tractors of those big evil corporations are able to harvest food with less fuel. I guess they get the special super-efficient conspiracy theory models of John Deer tractors and combines? It all comes down to being competitive in business. If after a windfall year or three a farmer goes out and buys a new fleet of equipment mortgaging the farm for it based upon his bountiful income of the past few years, then suffers some not so bountiful harvests or markets and loses his farm, whose fault is that? My uncle and my cousin are farmers in central PA. They do fine. They are very smart too. Like they measure and plot yield versus location on their fields using GPS and adjust irrigation and fertilization accordingly to optimize yield everywhere. They also heat their homes using raw corn that they grow. Last time I was there cousin Jimmy was restoring a 1950's vintage John Deer tractor. When needed, Jimmy supplements his farm income with his trucking business. | ||
| Road_thing |
Hey, don't I even get credit for an assist? rt | ||
| Josh_ |
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| Brucelee |
How much SHOULD gas cost? Who decides? It is called market pricing! Would you like to switch to a "managed economy" read communism or socialism? If so, the socialism version is available to you largely in Europe. Communism is sort of out of business these days. Oh, I forgot, the socialism form of gas is over $5 bucks a gallon? Hey, what happened? | ||
| Blake |
The only excessively greedy aspect I see affecting the price of our gasoline is the plethora of single occupant/drivers needlessly tooling around in their gas guzzling full size SUVs and/or pick-up trucks. But as I am not a communist or socialist, I will vigorously defend their right to do so. I was astounded by the number of Land Rovers I saw driving through the streets of Manhattan. That was before 9/11/01. Something tells me that the proclivity in America for mongo big gas guzzling vehicles will soon wane, if it isn't already in sharp decline. | ||
| Brucelee |
If farmers are not making any money, it is likely because their prices are not sufficient to meet their costs. If prices for food are low, that means there is plenty of supply. For prices to move up, demand must move up or supply down. How hard is this to figure out? Okinawa--Are you saying that Exxon Mobil controls prices on the world spot crude oil market? If you are, you are wrong, as you are about all matters economic. Get some education on these matters instead of simply trying to blame THEM! | ||
| Brucelee |
I am a Porsche retailer. I can tell you that the sales of large SUVs and their prices have been impacted big time here in the US and as long as prices stay high or go higher, shifts in driving habits will occur. NOT FOR EVERYONE, but on average, the big goes out, the smaller comes in, and so forth. Meanwhile, ride your XB and get over 50MPH. Feel smart and holier than those! | ||
| Brucelee |
BTW- OKinawa. Your "greed" is why you complain about gas prices. You want to keep more of your money for yourself. That is what greed is all about it. Why not share you money with the gas companies? Why are YOU so greedy! | ||
| Josh_ |
Ok ok, bonus points for Bruce  | ||
| Blake |
Capitalism is to economics what natural selection (survival of the fittest) is to the natural world of plants and animals. Muck with either and you'll soon have a very inferior situation on your hands. | ||
| Brucelee |
Thank you Josh! Blake and I see eye to eye on matters economics! PS-Karl Marx was an idiot! (Message edited by brucelee on March 29, 2005) | ||
| M1combat |
"If so, the socialism version is available to you largely in Europe." In America as well, particularly Kalifornia... I heard they changed Social Security checks into "Entitlement Checks"... WTF? "Communism is sort of out of business these days." Not by a long shot. Oh, and for the record... I'm prefectly happy with the low fuel prices we enjoy here in the US. I'd prefer that they go back down, but I don't sweat it a bit. I've parked my truck and only use it when I need to, and I've parked my Mustang and only use it when I want to. It makes more time for me and the Buell to get aquainted... That's a good thing  . | ||
| Along4theride |
Anyone familiar with Biodiesel? You can take vegetable oil that has been used from say McDonalds, take the impurities such as fry bits out of it, process it in your own backyard and use it rather than diesel. You don't need to make ANY modification to a diesel engine what-so-ever to use this fuel. They are starting to use this type of fuel on boats that are rented for diving in exotic places. It eliminates the 'oil slick' behind the boat, burns cleaner and the cost is minimal. When you have say 10 boats in one area that has quite an environmental impact on the fish everyone is wanting to see. They had a big report on CNN about Bio-diesel and how Willie Nelson is pushing to get more produced annually. Currently production levels are 44 million barrels of Bio-diesal 40 Billion barrels of petroleum diesel 144 Billion barrels of regular gas There are currently 300 locations nationwide that offer Bio-diesel at truck stops. This form of fuel can be used on any type of diesel vehicle, even school buses. Just think how much money states and counties could save just on fuel if they made this conversion. There is a guy here in Atlanta that is quite the tree hugger. He produces it in 50 gallon drums in his backyard for people. and for your reading pleasure- http://www.biodiesel.org/ http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,66288,00.html | ||
| Bluzm2 |
Man, think we have a "fat" problem now? Just think if all the diesel's run around smelling like french fries! Great marketing ploy by all the "bad food" vendors...  | ||
| M1combat |
There was a Bio-Diesel car running Le-Mans last year. Two of them actually. They didn't finish because the torque was DESTROYING the clutches... They made about six and eight hours as I recall. | ||
| Mutt2jeff |
Supply and Demand Countries like the US and China are demanding more fuel than ever. OPEC can no longer keep up with the rising demand. Same amount of fuel produced + higher demand = higher prices. I also keep hearing that oil production has hit its peak, and in the next couple of years, it will decline. Rising demand + dwindling supply = very high prices. | ||
| Court |
I've been a bit out of touch unloading radiators today....frikin' power plants. Anyway, holding a degree in Economics you can surely understand that I want to play! Did I get any points for the JKG dissertation? I'll be home from school (working on bonding organic compounds) after 11:00PM tonight and will eagerly tune in to catch up on the score!  | ||
| Bomber |
I get a kick outa the conspiricy theorists who believe the gubmint is running everything so finately -- if it were possible for that to happen, I would gladly turn over any number of onerous tasks to the elected officials, and, of course, the folks that really make the machine work, the beaureaucrats . . . .. . If you all felt a disturbance in force, it was me ageeing completely with Blake ;-} (and an assist to Thang) | ||
| Grndskpr |
Anyone familiar with Biodiesel? Yes having a fleet of trucks i have looked into it big time You can take vegetable oil that has been used from say McDonalds, take the impurities such as fry bits out of it, process it in your own backyard and use it rather than diesel. Not true, its labor intensive and you can only use about 10% of it in your tank, the only places it has work was individuals who have a lot of time, and universitys who have grad students, i have niether You don't need to make ANY modification to a diesel engine what-so-ever to use this fuel. True because 90% is regular diesel(the commercialy avaliable kind) They are starting to use this type of fuel on boats that are rented for diving in exotic places. It eliminates the 'oil slick' behind the boat, burns cleaner and the cost is minimal. When you have say 10 boats in one area that has quite an environmental impact on the fish everyone is wanting to see. They had a big report on CNN about Bio-diesel and how Willie Nelson is pushing to get more produced annually. Currently production levels are 44 million barrels of Bio-diesal 40 Billion barrels of petroleum diesel 144 Billion barrels of regular gas There are currently 300 locations nationwide that offer Bio-diesel at truck stops. Only 10% of the diesel is biodiesel, so dont get your hopes up sorry This form of fuel can be used on any type of diesel vehicle, even school buses. Just think how much money states and counties could save just on fuel if they made this conversion. Little to none, it cost more, has the same regulations, again is only 10% soy oil, i was dismayed when i found out, i thought i was going to be the enviro groundskeeper, and skirt some laws that are looming on the horizon, but you can not use straight bio, it has to be mixed, and costs 20 to 30% more, could not justify it again sorry i did a lot of reaserch on it, in a real life situation, and wasnt as good as it sounds R | ||
| Bob_thompson |
One other thought. I truly believe that most prices of all commodities are dependant on supply and demand. We all know what that means, don't we?Now it doesn't seem like we want to reduce demand but we do have a means to increase supply that is highly controversal. Drilling in the Artic national wildlife reserve. Now before all you environmentalists scream I have seen drilling here in the mountains where I hunt Elk. If I didn't accidently stumble on a drilling site I would not have even known it was there. Also all the talk about Caribou migration in the ANWR is unfounded. The plants that have located in the areas outside the ANWR have shown the Caribou migrating right past the plants and right at the fences with no interferance whatsoever (recent discovery channel special) and they (the plants) take only a few acres of millions. 'Nuf said. And on a last note even this one item along with more exploration and drilling will still only be a temporary fix. Maybe enough for 20 years or so again depending on consumption. Lets use a small per cent of our great land to become more self sufficient. Just my $.02 cents worth. Bob | ||
| Road_thing |
(working on bonding organic compounds) RUN FOR IT, JACK!!! HE'S GOT GLUE!!! rt | ||
| Cowboy |
Supply and demand true true. we sure as hell are paying a high price to protect some minnows,field mice, woodpeckers ect. | ||
| Okinawaxb12s |
i have question?i knew the answer once upon a time.anyhow,why in the h@ll does opec,a bunch of terrorist or terrorist funding nations doing dictating the oil consumption for the rest of the world?still think we should grind their little peanut heads under our heals and take their sh$t. | ||
| Dino |
Ah, I love these intellectual conversations. Oki, OPEC controls the production rate (well, sorta) of the petroleum resources owned by its member nations. Kind of a property right sorta thing, ya know. Of course, it won't be theirs anymore after we grind their peanut heads under our heals (sp). BTW, when we do that, do we score some peanut oil, too? Can we use that in bio-diesel? Enquiring minds want to know! | ||
| Blake |
They do no such thing. The truth is that they are more dependent on oil than are we. Think about it. Their ENTIRE economy, their very existence is 100% dependent upon oil. The simple truth is that when the price of oil rises high enough, all kinds of alternative energy sources will become viable. Like Roger (Grndskpr) said, even corn oil or soy oil is more expensive to produce than diesel. That is the truth. Thanks for posting that Roger. Bert (Okinawa), Your approach to meeting the nation's energy demands mirror's Hitlers. Might want to rethink that. | ||
| Newfie_buell |
All I know is that gas is up to $0.98/litre up here in the great white north. BUT - I got all the clean fresh water I can suffer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is one subsidizing the other!!!!?????? I think NOT. | ||
| Okinawaxb12s |
maybe so,still pisses me off.gas is to high,but if you wanna play you gotta pay!! | ||
| Pcmodeler |
Okinawaxb12s, why do you think they call it a cartel? Oil cartel, drug cartel, etc....... |
