| Author | Message | ||
     Wolfridgerider |
Looking into putting a Oil Cooler on the S3 Anybody here done it and if ya have a parts list... that would be great.. and a pic or two | ||
| Byrdock |
I had good luck with the reusable oil filter on my old S3. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
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| Edv |
I put a Jagg cooler on my S2, it came with all adapters, hose and mounting hardware | ||
| Byrdock |
I put a Scott's reusable oil filter with built in cooling fins on my first S3. It was prone to overheat at a long stoplight and start flashing the engine light. Put the new filter on and never had that problem again. Haven't had that problem yet with my new S3, but plan on putting one on as soon as I use up the Buell oil filters I got on closeout. | ||
| Upthemaiden |
I usually see people just using the oil cooler made for the XB. You can use some rubber coated P-clamps and attach it to the vertical bar on the frame that attaches to the front tie-bar. Typically the engine sends oil from the fuel pump to the oil filter by a hose. I usually see people re-route the hoses so it goes from the pump to the oil cooler, then from the oil cooler to the filter. It seems like a nice Saturday project, but so far I haven't had any overheating issues(I don't have a temp gauge so I guess I wouldn't really know anyway?) so I've gone with "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
Mine got into the run skip spark mode last August during the WV Buell Rally. It was a HOT day and the bike wasn't to happy with the long ride. | ||
| Hootowl |
If you do decide to install a cooler, I recommend that you put a thermostat on it so that it is bypassed when the oil is not hot. | ||
| Upthemaiden |
Do the carbed bikes have the skip spark mode programmed into the ignition module, or is that only for the FI bikes? I think that was my only concern... if I put a cooler on it, that it is going to take my bike that much longer to warm up, and spend half of my 11 mile commute under the proper temperature. I currently have a ride through the suburbs now, I may potentially be transferring back downtown at some point, and would honestly be hesitant to even take the S1 if I was just sitting in 15 minutes of crawling traffic on the parkway. A cooler might be worth it in that case. I've never really messed with oil coolers and thermostats though. Does the thermostat actually redirect the oil and have it bypass the oil cooler all together? | ||
| Hootowl |
It bypasses the cooler. I'll try to find a picture of one. | ||
| Hootowl |
https://jagg-oil-coolers.myshopify.com/products/40 50 Shop around though...I've seen them for less. You can also get one with a manual valve on it for much cheaper. | ||
| Upthemaiden |
Appreciate it! That makes sense. Is there much pressure/resistance inside of an oil cooler that it will just bypass the cooler altogether? I see in the picture listed there's not anything actually blocking the path to the cooler, just opening a shorter path that the oil could take, assuming it has less resistance than the cooler itself. Manual would be nice, one less thing to have problems with, and you wouldn't need to deal with wiring it in to run based on temperature(is the temperature on the automatic ones usually adjustable? or do they just make different ones in different heat ranges?). A manual one would be nice if it was something I was using for a commute with bad traffic. I could just turn it on when I was near downtown, turn it off when I was away from town and on my way home. | ||
| 1313 |
Do the carbed bikes have the skip spark mode programmed into the ignition module, or is that only for the FI bikes? The only carbed bikes with skip spark were the '01-'02 M2's. They had a much different ignition module that allowed the functionality. | ||
| Hootowl |
It's fixed. I've never seen models with different temps, but I can't say I've looked all that hard. I bought mine when I bought the cooler, and it was the only one they offered. "and you wouldn't need to deal with wiring it in to run based on temperature" You don't need to install it any special way for it to be able to detect oil temperature. It has oil running though it constantly. Good question about the restriction question, and the way it bypasses. It could be that the little animation doesn't fully describe its operation, but I suppose a stacked plate or a serpentine tube could have more resistance to flow than the bypass valve. | ||
| S1owner |
Google joesbuell and look through his build thread he put in an xb cooler on his. Dont let the S1 look steer you its an S3 | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
Joes Buell thread...  | ||
| Jramsey |
Unless you live in a hot climate such as southern Texas it really won't let the oil get to proper operating temp. I put an XB cooler on my X1 about eight years ago.Riding in temps up to 90-95 degrees I had a cover fitted over it. http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/476 23/642525.html?1314992933 | ||
| Ocbueller |
Even with an oil cooler installed, my X1 still entered skip spark in heavy traffic and hot days. Cooler doesn't do as much as one would hope. SteveH | ||
| Hootowl |
They're not oil cooled, unlike the XB. The cooler does radiate heat though, so it has to help, even if only a little. I do live in South Texas.  | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
They used to sell a fan that went between the jugs in the accessory catalog. I would imagine that or some computer fans may help. | ||
| Hootowl |
I've got a fan on my X1. It was intended for the Japanese market to counter the effects of poor quality gasoline by cooling the intake manifold. While I have no doubt it does that, it also dumps (what feels like) a significant amount of heat out of the right side of the bike. It comes on and off in hot weather when I'm sitting in traffic, so it sure appears to help with the heat. It also (annoyingly) comes on after I stop and shut off the engine. | ||
| Upthemaiden |
You know what was amazing on my XB was that bigger right side air scoop. It was a drastic change, and I remember how miserable I was when I took it off a few days before I sold the bike. Too bad no one ever came up with a decent looking scoop that could get some air to that back header on the tubers. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
I modified the air box a little. I hope the hole in the front and the one in the rear facing the motor cool it off a little.   | ||
| Upthemaiden |
I bet if you really wanted to build up pressure to blow air at that back cylinder you could try to open up the front of that in more of a rectangle, following the lines of the front of the airbox, similar to this filter cover...  | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
I thought about doing that and I still may. I just want to keep the air cleaner covered so it doesn't get rain and road dirt hitting it directly. | ||
| 89rs1200 |
Have been running for 15 years with a Jag oil cooler and Jag/Harley temperature controlled bypass valve on three of my S3. Vital if riding in Nevada or Utah. The oil cooks in short order without the cooler. Pulled the line from the oil return of the oil pump. Figured this is the hottest oil in the system. Scavenged oil now travels from the oil pump, through the Jag/Harley temperature controlled bypass valve, through the oil cooler, then to the oil tank. The Jag/Harley temperature controlled bypass valve mounts under the oil pump with the use of tie wraps. Clean install. Oil cooler lines run up past the voltage regulator and oil filter to the oil cooler. No adapter required. | ||
| Upthemaiden |
89rs1200: I can see the oil coolers on 2 of your bikes in your profile, looks good! They blend in well. Any pictures of the bypass valve? Wolfridgerider: Definitely a concern. I have a forcewinder on my bike and I regularly ride and park my bike in the rain. I'd love to have something a bit more protected, although I don't really want to pay $25 for one of those filter covers that people say just restricts the airflow, although it would do a nice job of covering up my beat up ugly filter haha. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
My forcewinder came with a rain sock thing. It works well enough. Is that what you were talking about? | ||
| Upthemaiden |
That's the one I mean, you haven't noticed a difference with it restricting airflow if you put it on or take it off? My filter is pretty rough looking, grayed and the fins on the filter are pretty beat up. I've been planning on buying a new filter, but it'd be cheaper just to buy one of those rain socks to stick on it, which would fix both the appearance, and make me feel better about leaving my bike parked in the rain. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
I don't really notice a difference. Is your filter worthy of being washed and re-oiled? | ||
| Two_seasons |
Forcewinder on my 1999 X1 Lightning. Use the sock too. No problem with restriction. | ||
| 89rs1200 |
Evening Upthemaiden, Harley Davidson used it on their 1980-1989 Harley Davidson Touring FLH/T. Bought mine used on EBay at half the price. Jagg finally has a replacement for the old automatic, thermostatically controlled, bypass-valve which was sold by Jagg and Harley Davidson It does retails for $94.95. https://jagg.com/collections/by-pass-valves/products/4050 The manual bypass valve from them retails for $74.95 https://jagg.com/collections/by-pass-valves/products/4000    | ||
| Upthemaiden |
I have, it's a little beyond that point at the moment. A new filter is on my shopping list, but part of me wants to try to find a ham-can to replace it, so I hate to spend the money on a new filter, and then not use it anyway.  89rs, thanks for the pictures! I don't think I would've even bothered trying to take this bike into traffic near downtown but I feel like with an oil cooler and the bypass it could be manageable. | ||
| Mhlunsford |
You can find lots of filters on eBay cheap just search for 2.5 inlet. |
