| Author | Message | ||
     Sausagecreature |
The model differences have been discussed ad nauseam, but after spending a couple hours lurking old threads, I'm still a bit (honestly, very) confused. I'm going to build myself a daily rider. Cosmetics are unimportant to me, I've modified or built my own glass for almost every bike I've owned (while keeping it all reversible for the next owner). I would just get an S1W, but they have become hard to come by. So I'm also considering the X1. I want the race-iest, cam-iest engine of the tube frame series. In my research, I think I've determined that the X1 engine is the same as the S1W, except for fuel injection. If I'm wrong, let me know. Are there any other models with this engine/cam/head combo? If I can remove all the bodywork and have essentially the same bike as the S1W, I'm interested. I don't want the tame cam. Are there any other differences between the S1W and X1 that would concern me? Frame changes? Steering geometry? I am aware of the swingarm change. I like the later swingarm, aesthetically. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Yes the frame is different on the S1 X1 where it loops under or over the rear header, and the X1 doesn't have the rear triangles for the pillion pegs. Then the obvious is the rear subframe supporting the tail section. Continuation of steel tubing S1. Alloy support for X1. Whilst the Thunder Storm engined bikes have more performance (head, pistons, cams) it's somewhat negligible depending on how you want to ride /use the bike. Though you should consider a lot of Buells have been tuned to varying degrees of performance. Thus I'm sure there must be some non TS engined Buells with similar, equal, or more performance than TS engined bikes, and likewise there will be TS engined Buells which have increased performance, say around 100rwhp if exceeding beyond a moderate tune. You will have to research the market unless you expect or intend to find fairly stock Buell as your target choice. But one of the problems you might find is the number of owners a 15 year old Buell might have had. In this time a lot could be lost as to how much an engine might have been tuned. Witnessed by the number of topics on here by new owners asking for info on Buells they've just acquired and know little about. Sometimes in these cases, pictures paint a thousand words, and often do on here. Rocket in England (Message edited by rocket_in_uk on June 30, 2014) | ||
| Phelan |
If you're building a daily driver, get a '98-'02 S3T. The fairing and bags make ALL the difference. S1s and X1s look sweet, but the wind buffeting gets old and slows you down at that. I have an S2T with a Thunderstormed motor and it is my favorite thing ever. Keep in mind, unless you crack the motor open for mods, you're looking at the upper echelon of power being about 84-88 RWHP and 80ish FT/LBS with the best bolt-on stuff (ECM, Air cleaner, exhaust, carburetor if carbed bike). My bike has the basic Tstorm stuff added (heads, pistons, N4 cams) plus a/c, exhaust, Mikuni 42, plugs and wires, and was dyno tuned at 84 HP 80 FT/LBS. If you want more than that, you'll have to find a shop like NRHS performance that does headwork, cams, and/or big bore kits (88"/90" aka 1430/1475cc). It's all about how much you want to spend. | ||
| Dannybuell |
Correct me where I am wrong Froggy. The 96 S1 engine has a different F/R weight ratio. The engine is 1 inch further forward. Why did they move the engine back? Speculation at the time ranged from sheared motor mount bolts and cracked bosses at the heads. If 96 sounds like a golden year I would agree! My 96 S1 has gpsuspension tuned forks and 2 click Penske. The D&D can is an early megaphone. When the race module went out a Crane ignition went in. When I got the mikuni the 'kitted' CV at its best wasn't even close. The dyno tune came next and OMG! My sleeping beauty really woke up! Garage Queen? 104,000 miles. 3 top ends, 3 stators, .... | ||
| Phelan |
Am I missing a post here? I don't see a post by Froggy. AFAIK the engine was never moved in position of the frame. All the bikes have the front Isolator in the same location in relation to the steering head, hence why the new front isolator variant is supposed to be installed from the bottom on older models that don't have an indention in the steering head (even though the originals were installed from the top), whereas it can be installed from the top on later models because they have an indention in the steering head to allow so. Therefore the motor can't be further forward or rearward in the other models; the only difference could be the swingarm pivot and/or swingarm itself. '96 S1s have WP forks, like the S2s, but they were not the fully adjustable Roma models the S2s got. (Message edited by phelan on June 30, 2014) | ||
| 1313 |
The 96 S1 engine has a different F/R weight ratio. The engine is 1 inch further forward. Say WHAT?!?! ANY tuber engine can be plucked out of ANY tuber bike and stuffed into ANY other tuber. The 3 most critical points for engine installation, the locations of the isolators, NEVER changed over the years. Sir, whatever is in your coffee, please either dump it out or send it to me. 1313 | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
yeah thats not true information. | ||
| Lynrd |
For me, I would go with an X-1 - it IS a different frame - the X-1s have a removable plate so that servicing the belt and isolators is much less biblical in nature. The X-1 also has a removable rear subframe, which opens up a lot more options if you are looking to customize. Seek out a BadWebber named Purpony for a nice example of what you can turn an X-1 into. If I wan't up to my A** in S-2 projects- i would be looking at an X-1 | ||
| Outdoors |
For a daily driver, an M2 with some sensible mods gets my vote however I would love to have a nice '96 S2. I keep thinking about changing cams but in reality, the stock ones are pretty darn strong in the mid range where the motor spends most of its time. I added a full X1 front end and a dual disk brake conversion this spring which has been a great improvement for me. I may add some higher ratio rockers on the exhaust side to help it a bit at higher revs. I really prefer the remove able side plates of some other models but changing the belt or isolators doesn't need to be done very often. The X1 is a great bike too but I'm happy to be running a carb on my M2. There are some great deals on very well set up tubers so the best advice is to be patient and grab one with some of the fancy bits that you prefer already present | ||
| Jayvee |
Don't the X1 and S3 have the same cams? I thought the M2 is the only one 'de-tuned' for less HP, more torque. I don't think you can make a bad choice, they are all versatile enough you can make any of them what you want. Go with which give you the best gut reaction. Or with the cheapest one you can get... Or your favorite color... |
