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The4ork
Posted on Saturday, June 28, 2014 - 04:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

so the bike has been sitting for a few years, and so i had to go through the carb.

Bike ran like a raped ape before parked.

after putting the carb back together i didnt pay attention to where my needle was set...

so instead of trial and error tuning, i thought i might make life easier on myself and get some advice. Its been about 3 years since ive tuned a carb, and while some of its coming back to me, not everything is still 'up there' in that brain of mine anymore....

ok so higher the needle the earlier the main jet kicks in, the lower the needle the later the main jet kicks in...? sound right?



ok well here is the issue im having, and i hope its carb related and not compression related.

When i get on the throttle the bike is pretty snappy, and then tends to loose power and torque in the mid-top range. Another thing to note, the bike seems to be more responsive with the choke pulled. pulling the choke adds more air right? so perhaps im too rich? which doesnt make sense because the thing ran tits with the current jetting back in the day. unless its compression related?

also im getting ALOT of popping from the exhaust when decelerating in gear or engine braking. I dont remember the bike behaving this way before i parked it.

So the popping, iirc is an over rich issue? Or is it somehow my timing has gone off from sitting? unlikely i think.

Also forgot to mention i lubed the cyl's with some oil, and ran the starter for a good 20sec with the spark plugs removed. just in case there was any rust in the cycl's or if the rings were really dry.

I then replaced the plugs with brand new irridium plugs

it also has new premium gas


any idea whats up with this thing?

(Message edited by the4ork on June 28, 2014)
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Phelan
Posted on Saturday, June 28, 2014 - 04:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Pulling the choke cuts down on air. Pull your plugs, clean, reinstall, ride about 20 min and check them. If they are white, you're lean somehow (maybe intake seals?). If they are black, you're rich (not in the good way lol).
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The4ork
Posted on Saturday, June 28, 2014 - 04:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i put new intake seals in... but the stupid carb stay bracket pulls the carb about 1/8" out of the manifold... i think the xb heads are to blame. never been an issue tho. but perhaps im using a different brand of manifold seal?
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The4ork
Posted on Saturday, June 28, 2014 - 05:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

there is a nipple behind the fuel feed nipple... what is it? mine is just open to atmoshpere... does it go to something? trying to remember if i had a cap on it before...
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Phelan
Posted on Sunday, June 29, 2014 - 01:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Cap it
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Lynrd
Posted on Sunday, June 29, 2014 - 05:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That other fitting..is it on the manifold? If so, it is the vacumn port for the VOES switch. Don't cap it, connect it....
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The4ork
Posted on Monday, June 30, 2014 - 02:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What is a voes switch? Im guessing its the one connected behind the butterfly on the top of the carb. Just dont know what its function is.

But no its behind the fuel inlet nipple. Does it cause the carb to function improperly if uncapped?
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46champ
Posted on Monday, June 30, 2014 - 10:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The VOES changes the spark advance depending on the manifold pressure it senses.
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Phelan
Posted on Monday, June 30, 2014 - 11:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

On all the CVs I've had the plug directly behind the inlet, still on the side of the carb, was plugged.
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The4ork
Posted on Thursday, July 03, 2014 - 02:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My voes is connected. weather it works or not who knows.

But what is that 3rd nipple, and does it require capping?
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Jayvee
Posted on Thursday, July 03, 2014 - 02:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

California bike, right?
Is the EVAP canister still there?

Doesn't it (the EVAP canister) run a hose to someplace that would need capping, if the EVAP canister somehow fell off and got lost?
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The4ork
Posted on Friday, July 04, 2014 - 12:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am in CA, and it doesnt have an evap canister anywhere
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Lynrd
Posted on Friday, July 04, 2014 - 01:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am also in california, and neither of my bikes have evap canisters. But I do seem to have a few on a shelf in my garage.
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The4ork
Posted on Saturday, July 05, 2014 - 02:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

so then what is that spare nipple for?
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The4ork
Posted on Saturday, July 05, 2014 - 02:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

mine looks just like this one
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harley-Davidson-Buell-Keih n-CV-Carburetor-1998-S3T-27423-98Y-/121376675493?p t=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1c429d16a 5&vxp=mtr
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Jayvee
Posted on Saturday, July 05, 2014 - 06:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I checked my service manual (page 4-14) the EVAP canister hose inlet (nipple) is directly behind the fuel inlet elbow. I should be capped if no canister hose is present.
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