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Dave_02_1200
Posted on Monday, August 06, 2012 - 07:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am interested in knowing about the similarities and differences in handling between the various tube-frame models.

My M2 Low has a vastly different feel from my S3T. The S3T has a softer ride and a better suspension but I seem to prefer the way the M2 Low turns on smooth roads. However, I am not sure why.

I have never ridden an S2 or an S1 so I can't even comment on those bikes but I am hoping to hear some comments from experienced riders who can compare and contrast the handling of the range of tube-frame models.
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Gixxer86g
Posted on Monday, August 06, 2012 - 08:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

X1.
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01x1buell
Posted on Monday, August 06, 2012 - 08:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i would love to say it would be the X1 but yet again i have never ridin any other tubeframe buell all i know is that my x1 freakin rips through the corners.
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Barrick09
Posted on Monday, August 06, 2012 - 08:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I cannot say for any other buells, but my X1 will out corner my CBR600 every day.

X1 all day every day!
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01x1buell
Posted on Monday, August 06, 2012 - 08:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

when i follow the 1125r i find that i am all over there ass wanting more.
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Foximus
Posted on Monday, August 06, 2012 - 08:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I find the biggest problem with most tubers, is peoples natural desire to lower them...


When I raised the rear, it turned it into a completely different animal. The taller XB forks helped as well.
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Gixxer86g
Posted on Monday, August 06, 2012 - 09:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Neil, I've ridden with you, and you are the God of X1.
I'm fast, but that's it. You're silly fast.

I have a co-worker/friend that has a 2011 GSXR 750. He has the skills that Neil has. He has a friend with an X1. According to my gixxer friend, he had a hard time keepig up!
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Lakes
Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2012 - 06:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i would say it is more to do with how the bike is set up & how good the rider is how well he knows his bike.
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Greg_cifu
Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2012 - 10:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

My M2 Low has a vastly different feel from my S3T. The S3T has a softer ride and a better suspension but I seem to prefer the way the M2 Low turns on smooth roads. However, I am not sure why.


According to your profile, you have a 2001 and 2002. Take a close look at your suspension setup, tires and other things because your frames are identical in every way; it's the same part number. Guys all over this forum swap parts back and forth between them and make hybrids all the time. Not sure why they bother but, whatever.

X1/S3? I'm not buying that there are any handling differences at all. In the years they are common, they share suspension with each other. The frame differences are again, in the footpeg plate area (height and the removable side plate on the X1).

It's the same earlier S1/S3 models (1997/1998)--same suspension and identical frames except for the peg plates and fairing lug on the head tube.

I've read that the S2 was a better handling bike and I can a attest that this seems to be true. I attribute that difference to the WP Roma fork more than anything.
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Buellistic
Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2012 - 10:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

IMHO, the S1/X1's handle better ...

"AND" a little tuning on my BLAST did wonders on its handling ...
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Hootowl
Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2012 - 11:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My S2 handles better than my X1.
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Jramsey
Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2012 - 11:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"X1/S3? I'm not buying that there are any handling differences at all."

I disagree as the X1 has 23 degrees rake where the S3 rake is 24.5 and the difference is very noticeable at all speeds.
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Jumbo_petite
Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2012 - 11:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My S2 is a sweet gentleman's ride. I'm little afraid to push it hard just because I am the original owner that bought it new in 2011 and I don't want to throw in down on the ground. My S1W is a beast and love railing on that bike. I'm sure the Penske rear shock helps it's handling. To me they are two different bikes for two different types of riders
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Ratbuell
Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2012 - 08:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

JP - I did a 2-up "track day" - also known as the 25th Homecoming "Parade Lap" - on my S2.

It took it in stride - including a couple passes on the outside, around a pokey VRSC and a couple of Blasts.

Set it up properly and it'll be rock-solid for you. I can easily go from my XB, to my CR, to my S2...without having to adjust riding style.

Other than the HP in the CR, that is. That thing is simply ridiculous ; )
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2012 - 09:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My vote would be the X1.
(though not MY X1. needs a rear shock bad!)
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Preybird1
Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2012 - 11:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

X1 is the best "i" have ridden. The works rear shock and the fork work\springs i have done it is one sweet machine. Now if i could keep the front wheel down id really be moving. And Ratbuell the CR is as you say " That thing is simply ridiculous" Is totally right! Right up there with the top liter bikes! I raced one on my ZX10R and i "tested" one out and it is very fast. Like 173 mph fast!
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M2nc
Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2012 - 11:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ridden with S2's, M2's, X1's and S3's. My M2 has been able to keep pace. The problem is ground clearance on the M2. I moved the rear sets up and back, but now I have scrape marks on the shifter. The M2 is slower to turn in and change directions than any XB I have ridden, but the M2 is more stable and predictable. Hell I've had the back tire on the M2 break loose coming out of corner and with out fuss or heart stopping moments, the bike just dirt tracked out of the corner and kept going. The bike your more comfortable on will always be the best handling.
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Rick_a
Posted on Friday, August 10, 2012 - 12:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The X1 is the best stock set-up.

The S1 has the most potential, me thinks.
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Thejosh
Posted on Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 12:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The X1, very nimble with plenty of power. One of the best bikes to take up a curvy mountain. Not a good bike if you live in Kansas or Florida.
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Rick_a
Posted on Sunday, August 12, 2012 - 08:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Having a sportbike in FL is not a problem...it just takes a little more planning to have fun.
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