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Sanddamaged
Posted on Sunday, June 10, 2012 - 07:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Has anyone done this without rejetting? I have a 1997 M2.

Took the muffler off to work on the clutch.
Started it and it sounded like it would run fine.
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Edgarr
Posted on Sunday, June 10, 2012 - 04:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

D&D muffler fell off on a trip. Didn't know it at the time because the D&D was so loud. There was a pitch difference, but it didn't run any different. Ended up riding 150 miles home with no issues. Glad I had good earplugs, and I don't miss the D&D at all.
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Brother_in_buells
Posted on Sunday, June 10, 2012 - 04:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Something like this!?




I like the look ,but have my questions if it does the engine justice.

try to ask this guy,
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/board-profile.cgi?action=view_profile&profile=the_wild_one-users
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Sanddamaged
Posted on Sunday, June 10, 2012 - 04:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wow that thing is clean!
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Ratbuell
Posted on Sunday, June 10, 2012 - 11:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Engines like backpressure.

I can't imagine wanting to run a Buell without a muffler; I'm trying to find a stock muffler for my S2 because the Supertrapp is too damned loud!

That said (to each his own)...you DEFINITELY want to rejet. Period. More air in and out means you need more fuel to match it. Less backpressure means much more air...which needs more fuel.
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Ghettobirdpirate
Posted on Monday, June 11, 2012 - 02:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you have any back pressure problems with straight pipes, check these out.

http://www.bigcitythunder.com/
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Mtjm2
Posted on Monday, June 11, 2012 - 06:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The kid I bought my M2 from , Had the carb jetted to run it with no muffler .

He added a 16 " pipe on the end of the stock header , no baffle.

Sounds great , but to loud for me .
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Buellistic
Posted on Monday, June 11, 2012 - 11:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

For what it is worth ...

IMHO, "i" would measure the header pipes and add a piece of pipe to get the measurement to 36 inches on the longest one ...

Then jet the carb. ...

"BUT" if you want it to make noise and run good(little back pressure) get a reverse cone megaphone from J.C.Whitney and fit it up ...
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Chrisshev
Posted on Monday, June 11, 2012 - 11:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I want that rear section....Where O where can I get it?
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Ghettobirdpirate
Posted on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - 01:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The tail looks similar to the Airtech BS1GP2.

http://www.airtech-streamlining.com/buell/M2199702 .htm#streetfighter
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Chrisshev
Posted on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - 09:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sick! Now I got another thing to put on the list..
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46champ
Posted on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - 07:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Engines like backpressure
This statement is not necessarily true if it was Pro Stock bikes wouldn't run straight pipes. The statement if you put on a straight pipe you will have to rejet and change the timing curve is and yes I have a stock muffler on my bike I don't need to aggravate the neighbors or get a ticket.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 - 12:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

...and a prostock bike has two throttle positions - "on", and "off". They are tuned to run at...you guessed it..."on".

Me? I like my motorcycles to work on the street. Varied conditions. Varied throttle positions. And in order to work this way...you need backpressure as part of the equation.

Don't hassle me on backpressure. My other hobby is turbocharged 4 cylinder cars. My straight-piped super 70 turbo and my S60VNT run great at the track...but I'll take my catted-exhaust cars any day on the street for dynamic control. I actually had to add a muffler to the VNT car, just to get the damn thing to be able to control the boost.

I know. Apples and oranges. But the fact remains - backpressure is a factor for an internal combustion engine, for tuning. ProStock bikes...aren't "tuned" for driveability, only for WFO horsepower. That...is an air pump. Air in, air out, make power. No variables other than atmosphere. Open throttle, hold on.

And to run this one full-circle...I've taken a stock bike. Gutted a muffler. Re-jetted until the plugs read properly.

It still ran like poop.
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