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Buellrobot
Posted on Friday, September 16, 2011 - 12:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm on an 02 x1 w VH exhaust, forcewinder, and race maps. I've got fresh oil and new intake / manifold seals. I haven't seen any changes in mileage, but had not payed close attention until now. I get about 37 miles per gallon when going 80mph on the highway.

Any ideas on what might cause this and how I could improve the economy? Thx in advance.
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Kilroy
Posted on Friday, September 16, 2011 - 12:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

go 70
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Friday, September 16, 2011 - 12:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mine has almost the same setup and uniformly gets low-50's at the same speeds.

I only got into the thirties when a H-D "tech" set my timing wrong.

Here is a list of dumb stuff that can erode the efficiency of your bike and sap its power:

Tires inflated to under 20 pounds. (That one got me earlier this year)

Temp sensor telling the ECU that the engine is cold (like a stuck choke)

O2 sensor telling the CPU that it needs more gas to balance the mixture. (An air leak upstream of the rear header???? I think you would hear it before it was able to mess with your O2 sensor)
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Reepicheep
Posted on Friday, September 16, 2011 - 12:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My M2 would average around 42 to 45 MPG. For an X1 with race maps and exhaust, 37mpg doesn't sound unreasonable to me.

Power requirements increase with the square of velocity... its not linear. So dropping cruise speed from 80 mph to 60 mph (a 25% decrease in speed) will give you a much bigger economy gain then just that 25% (which would already bump you up to 46 MPG).

A stock ECM and exhaust would probably help even more.
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Greg_cifu
Posted on Friday, September 16, 2011 - 12:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
What he said. 80 MPH is pushing a LOT of air out of the way. If you're CRUISING at that speed from fill-up to fill-up, 37 sounds totally reasonable.
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Buellistic
Posted on Friday, September 16, 2011 - 01:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Take the 26 tooth counter shaft sprocket off and put on a 29 tooth counter shaft sprocket and your gas mileage will get a lot better !!!

Other things that affect gas mileage
Ex leaks
intake leaks
timmimg incorrect
tire pressure
wind resistance
drive belt "TOO TIGHT"
Primary chain "TOO TIGHT"
wheel bearings need re-greasing
un-controlable throttle hand
carburetor not jetted correctly
wheel axles not torqued correctly
air cleaner not big enough or dirty
too much oil in transmission
O2 sensor dirty or going bad
no body ever thinks about the IAT

Pull the code and see what is set ???
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Friday, September 16, 2011 - 04:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Like I said before, I get 50-55 miles per gallon on a long highway trip.
I have a forcewinder, race ECU, LOUD pipe.

On a long trip I usually hover between 75-80.

Something is just a little bit wrong with his bike.
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Froggy
Posted on Friday, September 16, 2011 - 07:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

Something is just a little bit wrong with his bike.




I agree, my gas guzzling 1125s do better even on the track.

Fire up ECMspy and check your AFV.

(Message edited by froggy on September 16, 2011)
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Buellrobot
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 02:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ok, so I slowed down to 70 and was able to get 45 mpg, which is better, but still not fantastic.

I'm currently at tail end of a cross country trip on the X1 (from NYC > SF... currently pit stopped in LA). For the most part, the bike has performed really well.

I'm wondering if something's up w/ my 02 sensor though...

Somewhere in West Texas, the engine light came on while I was riding and stayed on for like 15-20 seconds. I jumpered the pins to get engine error codes and got a 13, which I see is O2 sensor. I haven't seen the engine light come on since that time.

Incidentally, I also checked my engine oil then and realized I was pretty low, so I grabbed a quart from a nearby auto-zone and filled it back to the low-fill line. Seems unrelated, but worth mentioning.

Other stuff I did before I left: changed both oils, new filter, tensioned belt and primary, new tires, new brake pads, new intake/manifold seals, tire pressure on higher side (conti road attack @ 36/40), new front iso.

So I'll look into some of the other suggestions... but curious what folks think about that O2 error.

And as always, really appreciate everyone's advice!
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Friday, September 23, 2011 - 07:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

As Buelistic will chime in, make sure your belt is sloppy loose. The manual is wrong.

I can easily touch my belt to the top of my swingarm with a fingertip.

Other than the O2 sensor itself, I have had other causes for an O2 error popping up:

O2 sensor wire chafed to pipe, grounding it.

Exhaust header wasn't on tight, making the grounding of the O2 sensor "noisy" and confusing the ECU.


A marginal O2 sensor would make sense with the marginal fuel economy.
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Buellistic
Posted on Friday, September 23, 2011 - 09:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Natexlh1000:

"THANKS" for thinking out of the BOX as GROUNDING body of the 02 sensor to the frame/engine is a good idea IMHO !!!
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Friday, September 23, 2011 - 11:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oh! I never actually ran a separate wire to the ground. I just tightened up the header to the big conductive engine : )
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Oldfartnbuell
Posted on Saturday, September 24, 2011 - 12:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"02"x1, always 55 mpg or better. No matter the speed!
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Desertfox
Posted on Sunday, September 25, 2011 - 01:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Long Freeway rides of 80mph usually net me about 50mpg. Lately less.

I noticed today that I have a fuel injector o-ring leak. Still getting 35 or so mpg, but obviously I still have to fix the leak.

Definitely look for a fuel leak somewhere. It could be that simple.
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01x1buell
Posted on Sunday, September 25, 2011 - 04:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

my 01 gets 45mpg when cruising and 30 to 35 when really getting on it all day long.
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