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Doughnut
| | Posted on Monday, October 04, 2004 - 12:02 am: | 
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LOL. Should I feel inadequate? |
Steve_mackay
| | Posted on Monday, October 04, 2004 - 10:10 am: |
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Just wanted to one-up ya  |
Crusty
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 02:05 pm: |
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If HD could do a retro FXR, perhaps Buell could do some retro S1's with XB engine technology!
If Buell could do a retro S1 with XB engine technology, then they could easily do a retro S3-T with the same technology.
I'd empty my wallet in a New York minute! |
Steve_mackay
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 02:16 pm: |
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I want a more up-to-date S3T. Something with a 'lil larger fairing. And something that could could take a tad bit more weight. For those of us that like to ride two up, and aren't in the fly-weight department
Something that can compete with the Yamaha FJR1300, Honda ST1100, and Triumph Sprint ST(which will most likely be my next sport tourer, if HD/BMC doesn't make one again). But a more simplistic approach. I don't need the fancy gadgets, ABS or the like. I just want something I can do some miles on, with some storage space, all the while having an ear to ear grin. |
Lake_bueller
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 03:38 pm: |
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Steve...I respectfully disagree with all your above points. The S3T is the true definition of sport touring. The Triumph is a lousy bike at both sport and tour; the Honda is much more of a sport touring bike with a load capacity of only 395lb (only 10 more than the Buell); the Yamaha has a great motor but still has a max load capacity of 445lb.
So ya see, the Buell is the best bike ever |
Steve_mackay
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 03:49 pm: |
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I'd be perfectly happy with 445LBS
Don't get me wrong, I *LOVE* my S3T. But, if I wanted a new bike, Buell doesn't make one I'd buy today. |
Josh_
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 03:54 pm: |
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I doubt Buell will make a true sport-tourer.
The all-out race bike RR evolved into the RS (less body work and hey you can take a passenger!) which evolved into the S2 (even less body work) which someone decided might work well with bags (note that it took a full model year for that).
The first "new" bike since the all-out race RR? the street-fighting S1.
The S2 morphed into the S3 and bags were still optional but the innovation went into the street fighters.
Buell's "all new" bikes: RR, S1, Blast, XB
See a trend here in function and size?
I don't think Erik ever intended to make a tourer, he just wound up with one.
There certainly won't be an opportunity to with the other manufactureres dumping on the US market (the FJR is about $18000 in Europe w/o saddlebags).
Oh and the FJR and ST have about the same carrying capacity - but the ST weighs more.
>Buell doesn't make one I'd buy today.
which is sort of the other side fo the coin. The S3T was the most practical and a good number of the people on here had that or an S2T.
But we were attracted to a coincidence not an intention.
(Message edited by josh_ on October 06, 2004) |
José_quiñones
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 09:49 pm: |
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Purely coincidence that a large percentage of the bikes that attend BRAG events are S2/S3's with hard bags......... |
José_quiñones
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 09:59 pm: |
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When HD/Buell designs and builds "Practical" bikes (S2/S3, the FXRT, the FXDX-T) they don't sell very well. For some reason HD/Buell can not design "practical" bikes with "Style". Since they don't have the "style" of a Fat Boy or a Road King, they don't get any attention. Style wins every time. Style sells.
Yet there is a small and very vocal group of people that like this type of bike and want HD/Buell to build them, myself included. |
Josh_
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 10:04 pm: |
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Bear in mind Buell sold more S3s than Yamaha is selling FJRs (in the US).
It's not just HD/Buell.
Note that I'm guessing. How many S3s were sold in their peak year? I think the best guess in Yamaha sold 2500 US FJRs last year |
Doughnut
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 10:23 pm: |
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S2/S3, the FXRT, the FXDX-T
All bikes that I love. |
José_quiñones
| | Posted on Thursday, October 07, 2004 - 07:15 am: |
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Josh, for the sake of argument, let's say you are right.
Then why does Yamaha bother to sell the FJ here in such low numbers?
They see a small but vocal market and they are supplying what they want. They are helped by the fact that that bike was designed for and sells well in Europe, so it's no big deal for them to bring some to the US (once retuned to pass US laws, not cheap) with their deposit program ensuring that they won't sit on dealer floors. Every FJ that is sent to the US has an eager owner waiting to put a bunch of miles on it right away.
Buell currently sells more bikes in Europe. The new CityX was designed specifically for European markets. If the European market demands or keeps asking for a new Buell Sport Tourer, then maybe they will build one for them and we'll get the leftovers, like Yamaha is doing with the FJ.
If it's up to the US market alone to demand it, it won't happen. |
Josh_
| | Posted on Thursday, October 07, 2004 - 09:16 am: |
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>Josh, for the sake of argument, let's say you are right.
Feel free. I say it all the time. 
Looks to me like you answered your question and have the same conclusion I do. Tho I'll add I don't think Erik never intended to build a Sport-Tour machine.
I'l be very surprised if we see anything other than a ST "kit" for an existing XB. (like the CityX is a motard "kit" ) |
Steve_mackay
| | Posted on Thursday, October 07, 2004 - 01:31 pm: |
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Doughnut,
You've got good taste in bikes Those are also my favorite bikes. My brother had an '84 FXRT. I was gonna look for one of those, but when the S3T came up, cheap. I jumped on it.
Here's my 4 year old safety concious neice on mine
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Firemanjim
| | Posted on Thursday, October 07, 2004 - 05:00 pm: |
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Lake,I will have to disagree with you about the Sprint ST as I have one as a back up bike for my S-2 and for any visitors to use.Lucky thing as I am still piecing together a motor after my rod went bang.The ST is a great bike,lots of power,rides nice,handles well--it's just not as fun as the S-2 and does not have that feeling of being an extension of me when I ride as the S-2 does.But by NO means a bad sport tourer,I love it. |
Lornce
| | Posted on Thursday, October 07, 2004 - 06:03 pm: |
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What FMJ said.
Admittedly, I've not ridden a Sprint ST, but time spent on a buddy's Speed Triple convinced me a T-Stormed S2's more to my taste. Interestingly, my buddy wasn't keen to surrender the Thunderbolt back to me.
Granted, the Triumph's chassis (suspension, brakes, frame, geometry etc) impressed me and it's fit and finish approach, maybe even surpass, Honda. But in real world riding, having to twist the throttle and wait for power to happen just isn't as much fun as a Buell's instant torque-rich acceleration.
Any of the new hyper-tourers (Yam, Hon, BMW, Tri) are amazing machines that'll provide gobs of silken power and supreme comfort. Don't think you could go wrong with any of them.... if that's your thing.
But if I needed a mondo-hp touring bike with comfort, convenience and effortless high speed potential (I don't, we have enthusiastically enforced speed laws in Canada), I'd just fit any of the available 88" nikasil top end kits, an oil cooler and piston oil cooling jets to my S2. Coupled to a 29/55 Euro gear combination, you'd have more highway jazz than you'd ever really need.
THEN.... When you get to your favourite gnarled backroad.... Where there's no hiding 600 + lbs of slick hyper-tourer.... On the svelte Buell it'd be "Hasta la'vista, Baby"!
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