| Author | Message | ||
     Daywalker |
It seems too short.Is this off another Buell maybe an M2? It was a spare that came with my bike. Notice the different breather (straight up rather than the 90 degree one on the S1 tank).   Gap between seat and tank   How it looks with the proper tank  | ||
| Foximus |
hmm... thats a lot of carbon... | ||
| 46champ |
I may be wrong but is you're bike a 1998 S1. The "spare" tank could be from an earlier year. Just a guess. | ||
| Ratbuell |
Maybe someone like 1313 can chime in here...but were there running changes from 96 to 97 as far as bodywork goes? Also, in the pic that shows the tank hold down plate...you have it backwards. The narrow end points forward, wide end towards the rear. Not that it will get you any further up the tank, but that's the way it is supposed to go on... (Message edited by ratbuell on February 15, 2011) | ||
| Blks1l |
The breather that points straight up should have been replaced it was a recall, besides that I thought all of the tanks were the same. | ||
| 1313 |
I can't see the pics at 'work' (while it lasts...), so I'll have to check the pics after I get home tonight. As for running changes on bodywork, the S2 days were the worst. IIRC, about 5 different sets of tail section tooling, about the same for the tank cover and front fairing (multi-part molds had a higher attrition rate due to their complexity). But as for S1, updating the tail section, flyscreen and fender from fiberglass to injection mold plastic was about it. The S1 tanks should be pretty much the same from year to year as the tooling to produce the roto-molded parts were much better for tool life and consistency. I may chime in more once I am able to see the pics, 1313 | ||
| Court |
That looks like the recalled vent, which simply changed the fitting to a 90o fitting to keep idiots like me, who put their tanks bags on them, from loosing power. There were, over the life of the S1, 7 recalls. In all candor, all were pretty simple or had little impact. They were:
I look at each one of those and each of them evokes a ton of memories as well as a ton of stories. I still have some of the "temporary battery fix" lugs and a box of those 90o vents someplace if I could ever find them. The fuel tank was the same size over the entire life of the S1. Something else is going on here. Is the nose tab (on the front) property secured under that plate on the frame? | ||
| Daywalker |
I am sure that the tank was fitted correctly. I am going to check the fit on a friends S1 as well. Would a tank from an early M2 be similar? | ||
| Preybird1 |
That is beautiful.....I love your carbon fiber day walker. You need the shock cover al sells at American Sport Bike....I think it will fit your shock? Love that look  | ||
| Guell |
I remember another member having the same issue. Has that tank sat long without any gas in it? | ||
| 1313 |
Is the nose tab (on the front) property secured under that plate on the frame? That was one of my thoughts. However, if I recall correctly, the small tank doesn't have much space at the front of the tank to 'adjust' fitment and it was the big (Manta) tank that had a little freedom for 'adjustment'. All the small tanks are the same (as used on the M2 and S1), so that is definitely not a reason. I remember another member having the same issue. Has that tank sat long without any gas in it? I think, based from my experiences as well, that Guell is on the right track. My 2 cents, 1313 | ||
| Daywalker |
Yes the tank has sat for years as far as I know with no gas in it so has it shrunk or do they deform slightly due to no weight in them? (Message edited by daywalker on February 16, 2011) | ||
| Court |
1313: Bring back any memories . . . ?     Various M2 recall components. . . . . the 90o degree fitting was to prevent fuel leaking if the bike tipped over. | ||
| Court |
I get a kick out of this . . . . as I was reading this recall thread I remembered that I had boxes marked with various recall parts . . . I opened this box and found various foot pegs . . .some that eventually saw production . . kits of S3 bags, a proto mirror off an S2 . . an S2 fairing bag with RS-1200 body mounts in it . . a bag full of Snap-On Buell gap gauges, a heat shield, a key chain and a pair of S1 turn signals . . . I'm quickly hiding the box . .as we are living under a "if I see it, I throw it out" order . . . I lost one black garbage bag of S1 and M2 shirts last month and have assumed a defensive posture!  | ||
| Ratbuell |
Court - I have a couple safe, spare rooms down here in MD now....if things need someplace to go  | ||
| Fuzzz |
The possibility of the tank "shrinking" due to storage had me curious, so I checked the tank for my other M2 this morning, no change, the bolt hole still lines up perfectly, Whew! Gotta admit, this one has me pondering... | ||
| Road_thing |
I've got a short one, too. It's a spare tank I bought on eBay, don't know how long it was empty, but it is short. rt | ||
| Court |
>>>I've got a short one Braggart | ||
| Dynosaur |
What about new tanks? Are they short? If you put fuel in a shrunk tank, do they grow? And, if it shrinks, does the paint ripple and bubble? | ||
| Road_thing |
...perhaps I should re-phrase that... ....ahem.... I have a gas tank one of my S1's that is somewhat shorter than the space which it is intended to occupy. Howzat? rt ...and, with respect to the "other thing", it's no bigger around than a beer can, but, damn, is it long! | ||
| Snp304 |
how come no one has asked the obvious question. Where did a carbon fiber tank for the S1 come from? Someone enlighten me, I have never seen one | ||
| Guell |
mike, its just a carbon fiber protector, the whole thing isnt cf | ||
| Daywalker |
Its just cover! I would like to do a carbon fibre wrap on a stock tank but they are so expensive over here in the UK. Although it would cure the problem of bubbling graphics. This short tank may end up being wrapped but would prefer to use a tank in need of paintwork. Will be comparing S1 tank sizes with my friend who has 3 S1s soon so will report back on our findings. | ||
| Snp304 |
ok, not to booger up your thread, but how do I go about getting a carbon fiber cover for an S1? That is awfully sexy looking | ||
| Court |
The best way to do the carbon fiber is an electronic dip. We played with it at Buell one year and it's very cool. You submerge the part in a tank of liquid and a some sort of charge aligns the "paint" material floating atop the water. The part is lifted through the "patterned" paint and you can make it look like anything you want. The carbon fiber was apparently indistinguishable from real carbon fiber. I had a complete carbon fiber body on my S1 that was built by Buell . . except for the tank. | ||
| Court |
Hydrographics Go to Patterns Carbon Fiber | ||
| Daywalker |
We did this as well at a golf manufacturer that I worked for but the stuff is just fake carbon print and it does not have the depth of real carbon fibre. A woodgrain S1 would be interesting. | ||
| Bartimus |
HA HA, RT has a short one!  | ||
| 1313 |
1313: Bring back any memories . . . ? You know it! Some pretty damn good ones, too! Although I'd have to disagree slightly on the painted on carbon fiber. From afar it looked spot on, but the closer you got the more you realized is was painted on fake CF. The best fake CF I've ever seen is on those oval chrome-ringed portholes that are sold as automotive accessories. I had to remove some of those from a car I brought home after Christmas and had always thought they were real CF because it had the light-shifting look at different angles. After I got the first one off I saw how they did it, and it is rather ingenious. The fake CF portion is actually a clear plastic, painted black on the backside, with a diffraction grating type pattern cut/molded into the outside surface. Looks exactly like real CF and even has the light-shifting look. I've been fooled before, and I guess I'll end up getting fooled again. But back to the issue with the S1 tank. A new tank should be 'normal size'. From my experiences, once one of these tanks has had gas in it for awhile and been used normally the plastic that the gas contacts gets a little soft. If the gas is then removed from the tank and it sits for a while it changes shape a little. For a complete tank like this it is usually undetectable visually (other than the fit up issue with this orange tank) as the residual stresses from molding the tank help it to retain it's shape. If, however (and I am NOT recommending that anyone do this), you were to cut one of these tanks in half - after some years with gas in it and some time without gas in it - you'd find that certain geometries wouldn't retain their shape. It's hard for me to describe, and I can't really share any pictures, but it is not something I would worry about. If you put gas in the orange tank after mounting on the bike and ran with it for awhile I'm fairly confident that it would 'grow' back into it's 'normal size' - all without any 'damage' to the paint. Better living through chemistry, you know... All of these experiences are with the 'light' or 'thin-wall' tanks. I don't have any similar experiences with the 'heavy' or 'thicker-wall' tanks, but I'd assume similar behavior - maybe more, maybe less. I'm not 100% sure on this, but to the best of my recollection, all of the tuber tanks with the 3D decals are of the 'heavy' or 'thicker-wall' type. But that's a whole 'nother topic for another time. I don't know if the tank would 'grow' just by putting gas in it an letting it sit off the bike for awhile or not - but it sounds like it would be an interesting test, 1313 | ||
| Daywalker |
You are certainly right on the fake carbon fibre. Ours had a matt finish so a few cats of clear coat would have given the correct effect. As to the red tank I think is has been resprayed as there is over spray on the fuel tap so the thick graphics might not be the originals. If I can get the fuel tap cleaned up I might run the tank on the bike and keep it topped up with petrol and see if the tank does grow back into shape. In the mean time I will be keeping a lookout for another tank to try the carbon wrap on. Maybe a Manta ray but its difficult to find them in the UK for a sensible price. Thanks for all the input will post pics tomorrow of the various S1 tanks I can get my hands on. |
