| Author | Message | ||
     Loganroy87 |
So ive had my eye on a M2 for a while, i have been a proud owner and driver of a xb12r for the last 3 years and started to want something more old school and comfortable to ride. yesterday AJ Foyts team manager was selling his M2 with a turbo and i couldnt pass up on the offer. this bike has been sittin in the shop right next to all the indy cars.... yeah it blew my mind. has less then a thousand miles on the bike. anyways, the tires are orig and hard as a rock 1)i wanted to know how wide i can get on the rear with the M2. its a 2000. and might as well how large in the front too, may wanna go for a fat bob look. 2)where can i find those more curved seats that looks super comfy 3)how large is this gas tank (looks nice and big  ) 4)where can i get the kit to have two front disks? 5) and do yall have any links to where i can find some cool bars for the bike. maybe something a little more forward, when this turbo kicks in, i gotta be leanin forward. lol links to any of the questions would be great. thanks guys! it feels great to be in the old school cold blodded tube frame buell club ha ha i think this may be enough questions for now. (Message edited by loganroy87 on November 11, 2010) | ||
| Brinnutz |
Let's put it this way, you can't go much wider than a 180 on the rear. What's this "Fat Bob" look on a sport bike? That's like telling a hot woman to put on about 50 pounds. Please, explain your reasoning, I'm intrigued on why you want to do that. Those more curved seats? Well, the classifieds and ebay. Unless Corbin is still making them. It's big. The kit for two front discs likely costs near or close to what you paid if you got a good deal on an M2. It costs around $2000. http://www.freespirits.it/prodotti.php?lang=2&cat_ id=377&prod_id=69 Bars, other than some super bike/ dirt bike bars, you're pretty much hit or miss in the classifieds/ebay. Unless Billet2Race starts churning out some more parts soon. | ||
| Loganroy87 |
i saw a picture of a black buell once that had alot of rubber on the front and it looked pretty clean to me. as far as poundage... i think the turbo compensates haha. nothing in plan for the near future tho. i just thought id throw it in so id atleast know later. oh wow, that is pretty pricy.think ill just make sure i have enough space to stop. i saw the front mount holes and wondered if this was a cheap aftermarket option or not. oh...another question with the fuel tank, im sure i can learn the hard way, but is there a low fuel light? | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
fuel injected? if so then definately low light indicator, and should be on your tachometer, unless there is an aftermarket unit in place (tach) as for stopping power, if you want cheaper, better stopping, maybe look into going to a XB setup, especially the late models with 8 piston calipers | ||
| Brinnutz |
M2's are carbed. You don't get a fuel light...But you get a reserve. | ||
| Loganroy87 |
good ole reserve! i love it! so i lied... i have another question... i havent checked to see what kinda compression i have and all, but i was told the bike has forged pistons and it hits 10lbs of boost, so with the stock motor bein at 93-94 hp, what do you think this sucker pumps out now with the screamin eagle ignition and turbo set up? maybe 115-120 on a good day? (Message edited by loganroy87 on November 11, 2010) | ||
| Cyclonecharlie |
Do you know of any history on the motor? As in stock pistons(10-1) verses (8-1) turbo pistons. Different ignition with multi-curves. What carb. does it have, etc. | ||
| Loganroy87 |
it has forged pistons (i have no clue but im guessin they are underdomed for the turbo pressure) ill ask the seller today. ill test the compression this weekend on sunday when im back home also. the ignition is the screamin eagle ignitioin. it has the CV carb. like i mentioned, AJ Foyt, it was his team managers bike so im sure the race team didnt skip to many corners. all i know is that when i got on it last night... it felt like i was a flyin, its alot faster then my xb12r | ||
| Guell |
for gods sake, why hasnt anyone asked him to post up some pics! POST EM UP! | ||
| Loganroy87 |
These are from the sale add. its been for sale down here in houston for several month. kept lookin at the add over and over and it grew on me. now she resides in the garage at my casa  yesterday i ordered the mirrors for the end of the bars, new tires, intergrated led tail light, small bullet led turns, and a side mount for the plate.     | ||
| Kalali |
That's one nice looking bike. Must be a handful when that turbo kick in. Love to see some close-up pictures of that turbo set up. | ||
| Loganroy87 |
ill post some in the next few weeks hopefully. yesterday i went ebay and paypal crazy and got alot on the way to dress it up and thin her up a little more. it doesnt take long at all to spool up, and even with these 10 year old hard as a rock tires... she will stand straight up every time i giver her gas. def gonna have to stretch that swingarm out a little. | ||
| Brinnutz |
Best place to shop: www.americansportbike.com Bar none. | ||
| Leftcoastal |
Be sure to go into the plenum behind where the air cleaner would be on a non-turbo bike and make sure the bolts that hold the plenum onto the carb are locktighted and maybe safety wired. You DO NOT want one of those coming loose and letting the little A/N washers behind the bolts going thru your motor and into the turbo impeller! Rebuild for the turbo is about a grand, plus shipping to Utah. Don't ask me how I know this. Nice bike! -Having to upshift through the gears with much more rapidity than usual - aren't you! Al | ||
| Ratbuell |
Aerocharger kit? Cool. Should be a Garrett...if you ever need a rebuild, my buddy Chris runs turbosunleashed(.com). He's done all my (and my friends') turbo rebuilds/upgrades. My friend Pat Culkin runs his turbos on his GRM Challenge cars - here's the results from '08: http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/events/2008-chall enge/results/ and a youtube of his Shadow at the drags (12.7, 4 cylinder 2.2 turbo with a stick, no spray): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfNP7gmyQts&feature =related but in '09 he placed second overall (boost + spray). This year he was gunning for a win, but I haven't caught up with him to see how things went yet...but all this on Chris' turbos. My 89 CSX-VNT runs a turbo so big, even Carroll Shelby himself looked under my hood and said "....um, WE didn't put that in there, did we??". I'd upgraded from the stock VNT25, to a 60-trim VNT. I also have a 70-trim Garrett wastegated turbo in my 87 CSX - up from the stock .48 a/r. I love me some boost! Just MAKE SURE that you let the bike idle for at least 2 minutes before you shut it off after a hard run. The center section of a turbo can get so hot, if you don't do the right cooldown cycle by circulating oil through there, the oil that is in there will coke - turn into solid carbon. They get that hot. And coked oil is not good for center sections. DAMHIK, LOL. On my Cummins truck, I have an EGT (exhaust gas temp) gauge. It will run 1600 degrees going down the road pulling a load; I never shut it off until those temps drop to 400 or less (idle temps). And if it were me...I'd lose the screamin' eagle decals. Harley didn't have a damned thing to do with the late tubers other than giving them a begrudged spot in their showrooms, and some crappy marketing. Get some Buell logos back on that thing!! | ||
| Fahren |
Nice bike, and x2 on losing the Steamin' Beagle stickers. Solid turbo advice in the above 2 posts. And run your belt looser than you think it should be. There are a few Buell-specific upgrades to these older tubers that AJ Foyt and Co. would not have necessarily known about: updated to later Buell phosphorous bronze drive gear on oil pump; heavier primary chain tensioner (this is a #1 priority if your bike was produced before June 2000). There is a huge resource of knowledge about tube-framed Buell issues here, and some more on line. | ||
| Dammitquikgentry |
Steamin Beagle...lol nice | ||
| Leftcoastal |
FYI- The Aerochargers have their own oil and don't have a circulating system using engine oil. It still gets pretty friggin' hot though! +1 on ditching the SE logo silliness. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
If they have their own oil, how do they cool themselves? Does it still help to idle it after a run as stated before? | ||
| Leftcoastal |
FMJ would likely know the answers to that, maybe he'll chime in at some point. (oops - new guy probably doesn't grok FMJ - that stands for firemanjim, who's probably forgotten about 100 times more stuff about going fast than I'm likely to ever learn. AL | ||
| Loganroy87 |
thanks all for the help! yeah the stickers are def comming off. i like things to be clean and clutter free. as far as turbos and knowledge, im a cummins guy and first thing i did was call aerochargers and hit them with a list of questions. i asked about cool down and their answer was this "no need to let the turbo cool down, has its own oil system and the ceramic bearings have little friction" this lead me to ask about the oil and changes. "oil change for the turbo will be probably never needed do to hours but more on a time line basis. you can run 70,000+ hours of run time at full boost and not have issue, just check the level and make sure there is oil in there" as far as warm up, they said to make sure the valve covers are warm and then im good to go, i do this anyway with anything i drive, so no issues there. thanks for lettin me know about the belt needin to be a little loose, the belt is loose on the bike and i was curious why, so that is one thing i can check off the list. the oil pump gear is something i have heard about and it is on the list. Ill add the chain tensioner to the list. | ||
| X1_rider |
I'm very interested in what questions you had for Aerocharger and what were the answers, thanks! | ||
| Loganroy87 |
sry i didnt outline it better, but this is kinda the conversation with aerochargers Me - do i need to run a cool down and let the turbo run oil over the bearings for a while before i shutdown Aero - no there is no need for a cool down, hot shutdowns are safe with the design of the turbo. the ceramic bearings are very low friction and create less heat then conventional turbos. the self contained oil system does not gain any benefits with a cool down time. Me-how often to i need to change the oil? Aero- because of the low friction ceramic bearings, little wear happens and thus long life. oil changes are normally needed after 72,000 hours of full boost time, you will probably never reach this time Me- so is it safe to just change it like once a year or every two years? Aero- yeah that would be ok if you want to, just always make sure its at a good level. probably check it every few months to make sure a good level is in the turbo. Me - what oil is it that i use for the turbo? Areo - we have are own oil, we run a promotion deal on our website, all you have to do is send us a few pictures of your bike with the installed turbo and give us a few details about the bike and we will send you the oil free of charge. Aero- also make sure you warm up your motor before riding, make sure the top of the valve covers are warm before riding is the easiest. Me- this setup on the bike is 10 years old. will i have any leak issues that i may need to worry about? its been sitting and not driven often at all. Aero- there shouldnt be any issues. just start driving it a little more and more, what it sounds like is it hasent even been broken in. I would drive it a little more and more. the more you drive it, the more broken in it will get and the smoother everything should run. aero does suggest in the manual to run amsoil 20w50 for the motor oil. they also had a 15w50 but i do not remember the brand | ||
| X1_rider |
Thanks for the information, very much appreciated. I saw on Aerocharger's website that they have a Buell application but not a complete kit. Do you have more specific information about your setup (fuel pump/FPR/injector upgrades, exhaust used, tuning (do you need a piggyback unit that has a manifold absolute pressure input, etc.)? Also if you'd have more pictures/close-ups of your setup, that would be great! Thanks again, I'm very much interested in your setup. | ||
| Loganroy87 |
Mine is a carb setup. its basically the same kit for the harley evo motors. right now i do not know much about what all the parts are, but i know there is a higher pressure fuel pump and a return line, and a fpr, then some kinda boost fool switch... not sure. but i dropped the bike off in college station yesterday to have my friend take it to this shop i like there, the bike needs some jet work on the carb, its running the CV carb right now. currently it will stutter at 4500 rpms and then pick back up, so i was gonna let the shop there that im comfortable with play with it. i plan on them doin a few other things and put new tires on and such, so it will probably be the end of november wheh i pick the bike back up, ill take more pictures of the set up and then few clean ups i make | ||
| Kalali |
"..I'll add the chain tensioner to the list." What tensioner are you referring to since you already mentioned you have a the belt? | ||
| Loganroy87 |
the primary chain tensioner, im assuming there is a tensioner in the primary? even if i still am running a belt on the outside as the drive to the rear wheel, there is a drive internally other then gears on the inside of the bottom end that needs to be upgraded, correct? Ive never taken apart motorcycle motors, just atvs and dirt bikes. im assuming they are very close and shouldnt present too much surprises i cant get over correct me if im mistaken about the tensioner inside the primary. I know that my XB has a tensioner for the rear wheel drive belt but the M2 does not have this, looks like the M2 is more like the atvs and dirt bikes, just pull the rear axle back for more tension and further forward for more slack (Message edited by loganroy87 on November 15, 2010) | ||
| Kalali |
Sorry, you are absolutely right. Totally forgot about the primary. In fact, the old style tensioner is known to be a weak spot. | ||
| Firemanjim |
Thought Aerocharger was out of biz The oil is a Mobil product that they repackage and blast you on. S-2 kit basically doubled the HP,so you probably have somewhere in the 130-150 range depending. They used a low pressure electric pump--MSD makes good one--need at least 3psi more than max boost so about 15-18 psi. Had a Mallory boost referenced fuel pressure regulator to allow low pressure under normal condition but add fuel based on boost. Aeromotive made a better replacement. Bought both at Summit Racing. I had the Mikuni on mine as they decided the CV carb was not optimal. His is an early kit looking at the bonnet--later ones had entry angle placed differently.The Mikuni came with a needle and seat made for pressure and all the vents were plumbed to the boost bonnet as carb needs to see boost signal to operate under pressure/boost.Check to see all those lines are intact. My 88" bike made 177hp. | ||
| Loganroy87 |
wow, you have some serious hp to weight! i didnt realize they could put out that kinda power, it sure felt like alot but now i know. im takin the bike to a shop that i like and they will be playin with it and get it all tuned up and new additions. yeah it most likely is a newer kit, the owner bought the bike new in 2000, put on the turbo and it has basically sat in the garage since then. had 813 miles on it when i loaded it up in the truck. 177 hp!?!? Im not looking to get that kinda power, but im just curious what all u had done and what u were runing? carb swap from the CV to Mikuni, and just a few other little tweaks or did u up the boost? question... this switch that is on the bike with the kit, what is its purpose? seems to regulate something, but what is it there to toggle? | ||
| Firemanjim |
Motor was 1450cc compared to 1200 and had cams etc.(My 1250 with a little nitrous shot made 190 but it used the bigger Aerocharger to move more air) The later kits came with the Mikuni carbs, as they seemed to like the turbo better than the CV's. IIRC the S-2 kit advertised a HP of around 100 and the stock bike was about 55 HP so almost doubled that bike. The switch was used on the Harley kits and it bled off some signal under the lo-boost setting so turbo would make less boost. All the Buell kits I saw did not have this switch and just used the higher boost setting. Depending on engine set-up you could see 12-15 psi. |
