| Author | Message | ||
     Serialk |
Does anyone know how many X1's were made from 1999-2002? Cant seem to find this information anywhere... | ||
| Gowindward |
About 12,000 See page 8 http://a1264.g.akamai.net/7/1264/1354/4544dfe23d0e 88/www.buell.com/en_us/_media/pdfs/experience/Fuel l-2008/Fuell-Summer-2008.pdf | ||
| F_skinner |
A little less than 12,000 X1M = 661 X1 = 11,228 Those numbers are approximate. | ||
| F_skinner |
Damn, your fast Loren... Frank | ||
| Jramsey |
According to 25th anniversary edition of fuell,summer of '08. '99-'02 production was 11,228. '00 Millenium production was 661. | ||
| Gowindward |
No just lucky! I will miss it when they finally take down the Buell website. | ||
| Purpony |
wasnt the X1 the most produced model ever of a buell??? | ||
| Jramsey |
The Blast was, 20,800. The most produced tuber was the X1. | ||
| X1_rider |
The X1W was 2002 only, right? I wonder how many of those. | ||
| Jos51700 |
I have actual production #'s. BRB. | ||
| Serialk |
Thanks everyone. I love this site. | ||
| Jos51700 |
FWIW... 12005. That number comes straight from Buell's own build records. This includes ALL X1W, X1M, X1 striped, etc. for ALL COUNTRIES, COV's, etc. That is TOTAL BUILT. If you want to know US-destined, US-certain color, etc, that's a totally different set. Also, FWIW... The ONLY X1 that shows BUILD #'s as a distinct model is the X1 Millenium. Remember, the carbon/kevlar, race stripe, etc. were JUST paint sets. Not even the paint set was unique, only the gascaps were. They were NOT different, distinct, models. The supposed X1 "White Lightning" is ALMOST entirely an enthusiast-created designation. I DO know for a FACT, that when I uncrated TWO of them in 2002, the outside of the crate ONLY indicated X1, NOTHING special. the sticker on the chin fairing said "X1W" but that's an inference to the S1W (which WAS an exclusive model). I don't know of any FACTORY literature that refers to "X1 White Lightning". The bikes never said "White Lightning" on them that I recall, just the aforementioned X1W sticker. If you have an example of factory lit citing the "X1 White Lightning", please let me know so I can note that. It needs to identify it as a distinct model. As in "Should we order the X1 White Lightning, or just the regular lightning this year?". The VIN code will show it as a separate model if it is one (i.e. 4MZSS vs. 4MZYS on S1's) The X1M does not list a frame color according to Buell's records (obviously, it HAS a frame color, but as a separate model, there's no need to list it. It would be redundant). Some of the "models" that we are so familiar with had options in this regard, like the X1CF's built with white frames that went to Japan. ALL X1M's were built with the same frame color. I do NOT know 100% that the X1M's had unique VIN numbers but I believe that they do. What do I mean by that? For example, you look up your X1CF VIN and by the 17 numbers it's an X1. No color indicated. It's JUST an X1 (with a limited # factory "paint" set). However, you look up the VIN from the X1M, and it comes back X1M, a separate, distinct model, like M2L or S3T. M2L's and S3T's had different VIN prefixes from M2's and S3's. This is why I call BS on the "S1B Black Lightning" as a separate model. I'm pretty sure that one was custom-built for someone, but it's NOT a distinct model! It's a factory bike that was was assembled differently from the rest. When you pull up the CF or RS X1's, it is simply a color option. For example, there were 25 X1's built in m.y.2000 with color listed as Red Race Stripe and frame color and wheel color both listed as Designer Black. (That's a legit production number, btw.) There are several bikes in Buell production line-up of this era that are quite...interesting. If you think you might have some info on these 1-off's, let me know! If you have an X1M, please PM me you VIN number so I can tie the facts down on this. Thanks John | ||
| Jos51700 |
The first X1W was 1998.First Thunderstorm engine.Can't recall but,believe they were carb'ed.White/w blue That's S1W, totally different model from an X1, top to bottom. Sorry, just saw your edit. (Message edited by jos51700 on October 21, 2010) | ||
| Hootowl |
X1_rider, yes I believe the X1W was a 2002 model. | ||
| Ducxl |
Aaaaa,should've known  .The S1W is a really cool bike too. My X1 has been garaged here since 1-23-99 i know better | ||
| Jos51700 |
X1_rider, yes I believe the X1W was a 2002 model. Model? Edition, maybe...  | ||
| Serialk |
I wonder how many of X1s are still around... Too many people chopping these into hard tail abortions... | ||
| Hootowl |
Edition? Seriously? Come on, it had a BLUE header. Totally different bike. | ||
| X1_rider |
Don't laugh at me but I do think the X1W wears the blue header nicely. I actually bought a black Force exhaust, sent it to Jet Hot to strip it down and recoat it Ford blue so I would keep the look as original as I could. | ||
| Pkforbes87 |
"I wonder how many of X1s are still around... Too many people chopping these into hard tail abortions..." I've got two of them. 2000 and 2002 - both standard X1 models. 2000 was factory nuke blue frame, molten orange plastics, nuke blue cast wheels. The 2002 was nuke blue frame, black plastics, PM wheels. Nobody's chopping either any time soon! | ||
| Jos51700 |
Edition? Seriously? Come on, it had a BLUE header. Totally different bike. Ok, so you have ONE part, and a few stickers that are exclusive to the bike. It's not like it was the only X1 to get stickers, too. So, how is that any different than a green X1 xs. a yellow X1? The basic machine itself is no different. pull the stickers and blue header, and NOBODY knows it's an X1W without detective work.Saying that the blue header (OR M.E. frame) is enough to make it a unique model is like saying that a factory painted handlebar on an X1 is enough to call it a new model. The X1M was numbered, and had it's own frame (by color) and body color not found on any other model, as well. It's MY opinion that does not really qualify it as a separate model, either, but Buell does so in their production numbers. The difference is that a little more work is required to get the Millenium model down to not-unique status, but the two bikes are not that far apart in their respective amounts of "uniqueness". It's all just different color parts. There are far more unique regular-production Buells running around, by that standard. One could argue it either way. ALL that I am saying is that I think that BUELL recognizes only ONE of the two as a separate model, and I could be wrong on that. That's why I am asking owners/enthusiasts to send documentation on both. I have looked for years and not found any factory brochures advertising a X1 White Lightning, but I have don't near the collection of stuff or free time that a lot of Buell enthusiasts do. Buell has, in the tube-frame era, a history of making lots of "special editions". I am not going to call a "special edition" a new model unless it is identified as such by a Vehicle Identification Number, and that's (although nit-picky, I admit) the proper way to refer to these bikes. | ||
| Jos51700 |
I apologize if my tone comes across as defensive. It's not intended. I'm simply trying to clarify the difference between "model" and "edition", and hopefully determine which is true for these very beautiful, astoundingly fun bikes. | ||
| Gowindward |
John, do you have production numbers per year? It would be interesting to see how that 12K is spread over the 4 years they were produced. | ||
| Flainn |
I just got a 2000 X1 and am loving it already. Much better than my Sportster. And hell no I won't be chopping it or modifying it. | ||
| Jos51700 |
John, do you have production numbers per year? It would be interesting to see how that 12K is spread over the 4 years they were produced. I do, but that's a lot of counting! I had to take an Excel course just to BEGIN to analyze the data! There's a LOT of info to sort between year, model, frame color, wheel color, handlebar, seat, etc. I'll see what I can come up with. | ||
| Dmac |
I have a 2002 x1w and a 2001 x1.Love both of them. | ||
| Ratbuell |
Somebody PM Babired. She's got a stripe, and just got an X1M (might be her second...not sure). If there's a VIN difference, she can just go in the garage and check  | ||
| Palmer |
Jos, I've found your arguments about the X1 WL very interesting. I think you're right, cause the WL hasn't nothing different than stickers (the one on the flyscreen says White Lightning on mine, the ones on the undebelly are the same as the X1W) and the Blue Headers. Anyway, I consider this particular "model" one of the best looking buell ever. But that's my personal taste. I repeat, you're right: the WL isn't a real special edition as the limited ones like ME or WS, BUT is commonly considered (I speak for Italy) as a Special Edition bike, maybe because of his rarity or maybe because it has the blue headers. Personally, I consider it something in between a special edition and a normal model. Something that has ended the tubolar frame era. And many times the Truth is identified in what people think and not in what the archieves says! Anyway, it hasn't a engraved gas cap, but at the same time is quite different from ANY other X1 out there. No one never build a white bike with blue headers before and no one has made it after. And sort of divide in buell history. I like it a lot! Other interesting thought regards the stiker on my tank. These aren't similar to the others X1W and X1WL ou there. I have the stikers (not the exact word for these, i'm sorry) from the 2003 Firebolt XB9R, and my bike is from 2002. Unfortunately I don't know if this was made before or after the bike was purchased. But it gives it a special taste..   Constantin's Arc of Triumph and the Colosseum. I alway go for a ride during the night here in Rome. The colors of our monuments and the one of the WL are a perfect fusion. Oh, and I love to have a criminal behavior in the ancient streets of Rome during the last hours of the night. Haha! | ||
| Hootowl |
John, The smiley face at the end of my post indicates that that I was mocking the position that the X1W was a completely different bike because it had a blue header. I'll try to be less obtuse in the future |
