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Mtaylor
Posted on Sunday, October 03, 2010 - 09:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I changed fluids today after 2000 miles. Oil looked fine but transmission fluid was tan in color and frothy with a strong burnt wire smell. bike seems to be running fine. What may be going wrong?
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Edv
Posted on Sunday, October 03, 2010 - 09:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

If you have a burned oil smell in your primary/Trans oil you have a stator going away, this is a common symptom of a bad stator.

Ed
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Ratbuell
Posted on Sunday, October 03, 2010 - 09:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

+1 on stator-time.

What fluid do you run in the primary?
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Cyclonecharlie
Posted on Sunday, October 03, 2010 - 11:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My moneys on Mobil One.
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Sloppy
Posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 - 12:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ahem... nothing wrong with Mobil One products in the primary. The problem is with the use of certain GL-5 gear oils...

If you already have the bike put together then check the voltage across the stator. If too low then indeed you have a bad stator.
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Mtaylor
Posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 - 03:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I USED THE PRIMARY OIL SOLD @ THE HARLEY DEALERSHIP. BIKE IS PUT TOGETHER. HOW DO I TEST VOLTAGE ACROSS STATOR. I'M FAMILIAR WITH TESTING VOLTS @ BATTERY. ALSO HOW MUCH TROUBLE IS CHANGING OUT STATOR?
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Buellistic
Posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 - 05:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It is not much to changing STATOR which really depends on your experience ...

Do you have the FACTORY SERVICE MANUAL and PARTS BOOK for your YEAR/MODEL ???

It is worth the PICTURES and INFORMATION !!!

Have a 110,384.7 miles on my OEM STATOR, ROTOR, and VOLTAGE REGULATOR with many new BATTERIES ...

Never adjust my primary tighter than 3/4 inch on the chain tight spot, run same oil in transmission as "i" run in the engine and never run the DRIVE BELT tight ...

Have some helpful information you may be interested in, just PM me and it is yours ...
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Bluzm2
Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2010 - 12:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Robert, your caps is STUCK!!!

The output of the stator is about 48V at 200 RPM if memory serves.
Get the service manual and do the rest of the tests to confirm.
If it reeks, it's a bad stator..
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Firemanjim
Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2010 - 12:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

There is an S-1 manual on line here in knowledge vault,look up the testing procedure,it is the same.
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Sloppy
Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2010 - 12:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Pull plug between stator to voltage regulator and measure voltage there. Specs are in the service manual. Good luck.
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Mtaylor
Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2010 - 09:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I CALLED LOCAL HARLEY DEALERSHIP FOR PRICE FOR REPAIR. ONE STATOR $119.00 - 2&1/2HR. LABOR @ $65.00. PROBABLY A FEW DOLLARS FOR SHOP SUPPLIES AND NEW FLUID. I THINK THIS IS THE WAY FOR ME TO GO. THANKS FOR ALL THE ADVICE. I WILL STILL TEST VOLTS, BUT THE WAY THE OLD FLUID WAS COOKED- STATOR HAS GOT TO BE BAD! I WAS TOLD THE TAN COLOR WAS PROBABLY VARNISH COATING ON THE STATOR.
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Kalali
Posted on Wednesday, October 06, 2010 - 03:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ask them to replace the primary chain tensioner while they have the cover off. I forgot to ask them when they replaced my starter gasket. Needless to say, that was before I was introduced to this lovely forum...
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Jespo_m2
Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2010 - 08:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Cycle Electric voltage regulators will resolve the stator melting issue. The regulators from HD are junk.
I would replace the stator and voltage regulator with Cycle Electic components.

This will also resolve speedo sensor failures as well.

http://cycleelectricinc.com/
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Bluzm2
Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2010 - 11:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Their explanation is a bit odd. They say they "block" excessive current instead of dumping it to ground.
Only way to "block" current is by increasing resistance or opening up the circuit.
Either that or they went and changed Ohms law and I missed them memo...
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Davefl
Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 08:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have a Crane Cams voltage regulator on my M2 (they don't make it anymore) that opens the circuit. I haven't thought about it but in the years that it has been on there no speedo failures.
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