| Author | Message | ||
     Biggsammy13 |
so i attempted to start my bike this morning and...no dice. it made a noise as if it was turning over (1 squeeky revolution) then the starter wont even turn it anymore. the starter button is still active...it makes the high pitched electric noise (like a 50 cc bike at top end in 1st gear) but the starter is not able to turn the engine. haven't checked the spark plugs in a bit...that'll be the first thing i replace. can anyone think of anything else this might be? i did recently install a forcewinder and re-routed the breather manifold...but it's been running fine for a week now. thoughts...or tissue? | ||
| Brinnutz |
What's the voltage on the battery? | ||
| Biggsammy13 |
not sure about the voltage...im up at work right now...when i return i'll check. what should the appropriate readings be? | ||
| Oldog |
Sammy a healthy battery will be 12.5 volts or better, and you can see up to about 14v when the system is running ( charging ) a dying battery will look ok at rest and when loaded wham no juice. also try jumping the bike from a car if the mill will not turn over then further checks need to be made. | ||
| Texastechx1 |
sounds like dead battery to me... also try jumping the bike from a car are you serious?!?! | ||
| Skntpig |
Try to replace the starter or ignition relay. It is a standard relay you get anywhere. Mine would do this and finally start. After replacing the battery it still did it. Doh! It was that silly $10 relay. | ||
| Oldog |
are you serious?!?! Quite, I have done it a couple of times IF you pay attention should be no problems The buzzy relay is bad tiki The key switch is also on the bad actors list. (Message edited by Oldog on June 25, 2009) (Message edited by Oldog on June 25, 2009) | ||
| Mick |
If aint the battery or relay it could be the Bendex (clutch) on the starter. Mine would make a whining sound but wouldn't turn the engine. | ||
| Buell_bert |
Always clean the connections first. Battery and also ground to engine and positive to starter or suffer the buy this then check this syndrome | ||
| Dsmitty25 |
you don't want to charge your bike from a car you really shouldn't jump it either get you a battery charger with a starting setting. also posible starter clutch out the loud wine could be your started spinning but not kicking out. have to pull your primary cover to see. | ||
| Buell_bert |
If all is as been said, it sure looks like the bendix is not engauging with the ring gear. | ||
| Pkforbes87 |
I use one of these instead of getting jumped from a car:  If I had to jump from a car battery, I would at least leave the car turned off so you're only using the battery. If the car's running, you risk letting the car's charging system doing something to your bike's electrical system. As for the symptoms you're having - make sure all of your connections are tight. I had similar problems and it sounded like the starter gear was stripped and not turning the engine over. Turned out to be a loose battery cable and the starter cullenoid (sp?) was just clicking fast and sounded like worn teeth on a gear. | ||
| Whatsabuell |
never jump a bike from a running car i dont know about the fi but carb bike can be jumped from a car (not running) yea sounds like the starter as said | ||
| Jramsey |
12 volts is 12 volts and makes no difference what the battery is in whether m/c,car,truck, tractor, etc. What does the cars charging system have to do to the bikes electrical system ? | ||
| Biggsammy13 |
so...it's not the battery...i tried the jumping technique (without the car started) - its got plenty of charge. the problem seems to be as described above...the electrical seems to be sending the signal but whatever mechanical components it signals are not turning. i guess thats the bendix or the relay. went to autozone to pick up a standard relay cable but those were the most unhelpful batch of people i've ever encountered. anyone know more specifics on the relay..part number, design...etc? also...im hearing a lot about the bendix - is this a difficult component to replace? other than oil changes and a recent forcewinder installation - i'm not that advanced on repair and troubleshooting (however dont have a problem with getting my hands dirty). so anyone know which i should try first? relay or bendix? thanks for the tips peeps. | ||
| Dfbutler |
Do you have the FSM? It lays out test procedures. | ||
| Skntpig |
It's not your bendix. It's a relay problem. You never said a loud whine. I bet the sound is like a metallic clacking at a rate of about 1000 beats per minute. You just asked for the wrong thing. Try Bosh Relay. You don't need the name brand Bosh but they are common. Take your seat and tail off you will see 2 of these around your oil tank and battery. I'm not sure which one is which so try buy 2 new ones or one and try in both locations. Relayhttp://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www. r1200gs.info/howto/images/relay-1.jpg&imgrefurl=ht tp://www.r1200gs.info/howto/relay.html&usg=__zP7yS Sz9N62Ofy1_gWzJFeobXOk=&h=386&w=500&sz=94&hl=en&st art=6&tbnid=WX2NFeM9wi30eM:&tbnh=100&tbnw=130&prev =/images%3Fq%3Drelay%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG | ||
| Oldog |
If the car's running, you risk letting the car's charging system doing something to your bike's electrical system. the Vr shorts the alternator to ground when running to regulate the current and to an extent the voltage, it will do the same if you go over its set point from the auto, unless you reverse the polarity using a running auto is not a problem,} | ||
| Brinnutz |
I've jumped my bike from several vehicles back when my VR took a dump. It's fine. | ||
| Psycrow |
Its those Dam Harley Relays. My suggestion - don't get an OEM relay. The cover's are simply snapped on and allow moisture and crud inside. Couple this with the relays location (up under the seat above the rear tire)and its not hard to see why they bite it. Drag Specialties makes a replacement that's sealed with epoxy no chance of corrosion and they are only $6 from many online retailers.(eg. Dennis Kirk) Psy | ||
| Bad_karma |
Check your ground and high current connections first, make sure they are clean and tight. Also have a local parts store load test your battery. Joe | ||
| Biggsammy13 |
replaced the relays...still the same thing. i went to the HD dealership they told me its most likely the starter clutch - sold me a replacement. trying to install that but thats not the easiest thing to do in the world. having trouble getting my primary cover off - do you have to remove the muffler & giant bolt between muffler and underneath of primary cover before you can remove the entire cover? - does the derby cover have to come off?...or can i just take the primary off? | ||
| Brinnutz |
Oh wow...you need a manual. Going in blind is not a good idea. |
