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Blackm2
Posted on Thursday, March 12, 2009 - 09:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What year exactly did Buell engines stop being "just Harley engines"?
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F_skinner
Posted on Thursday, March 12, 2009 - 09:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1983

The first Buell did not use a HD motor.
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F_skinner
Posted on Thursday, March 12, 2009 - 10:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Seriously, it depends on what you consider "just a Harley Motor." The answer you are probably looking for is 1998 with the introduction of the Thunderstorm motor but the 96 motors were a considerable improvement over the stock sporty motors as well.

The easy answer is 2008 unless you look at the Blast introduced in 2000 (I think).
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Creature_x1
Posted on Thursday, March 12, 2009 - 10:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Maybe you mean to ask when the motors used the same gaskets as a sportster did?. That was up to 2002. The introduction of the XB series motor in 2003 is when they made major design changes, and quit using the same gaskets.
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Pkforbes87
Posted on Thursday, March 12, 2009 - 10:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Maybe you mean to ask when the motors used the same gaskets as a sportster did?. That was up to 2002. The introduction of the XB series motor in 2003 is when they made major design changes, and quit using the same gaskets."

Ditto. If you've got a tuber and the nearby dealer is HD only, (my situation) just buy the simple parts by telling them you have a sportster.

AFAIK pistons, heads, and cams are the only Buell-specific engine parts.
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F_skinner
Posted on Thursday, March 12, 2009 - 10:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Not only gasket but wasn't the transmission different as well. I would consider that part of the motor. I remember the fist time I rode a XB. All I could think was it was so refined compared to a tuber but that was due to many different mods. Not just the motor.
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Blackm2
Posted on Thursday, March 12, 2009 - 10:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well not talking gaskets, more like performance improvements, and the casting of actual Buell emblems on the motor parts. I was thinking 96-98. I concur about the XB's Frank. My wife picked one up last week, and I was riding it today, HOLY CRAP what a difference. Such an easy bike to ride, great shifting, smooth, makes my tuber have that much more character!

(Message edited by Blackm2 on March 12, 2009)
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Kyrocket
Posted on Friday, March 13, 2009 - 04:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If it makes any difference I just broke a motor completely down and there were HD castings all over it. It's out of a '99 model. I would have to vote with the introduction of the XB series because any parts person around here doesn't know whether to scratch their watch or wind their butt when I ask for a Buell part but sporty parts, oh we have that.
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Loki
Posted on Saturday, March 14, 2009 - 01:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The S2 was the last of the bone stock sportster mills

The S1 IIRC was done with bolt on SE parts to the mill.

The introduction of the Thunderstorm line with the S1W(98) mill was the first real departure point.

The intro of the XB series was the big departure point.
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Blackm2
Posted on Saturday, March 14, 2009 - 12:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Loki, kinda what I figured. Interesting that Kyrocket that your 99 model has the hd castings, my 01 has Buell castings.
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