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M2statz
Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 08:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Went to the work shop last nite to get the snowblower ready for more snow and notice a small puddle of oil under the M2. I can not tell where it is coming from. The bike has been winterized and not rode since the middle of November. Why would it spring a leak now and is it something that needs attention now or can it wait until spring? Thanks and happy holidays!!

M2Statz
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Road_thing
Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 10:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hmmm.

"...to get the snowblower ready for more snow..."

I think it can wait. Doesn't sound like you're gonna be riding it soon!

Seriously, an oil leak an't hurt the bike if it isn't running. I'd suggest putting a pan or sheet of newspaper under it to see if it's leaking continuously or if it's just some old oil running off.

Is your shop heated?

rt
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Kalali
Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 10:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

While this is not going to "hurt" the bike sitting still, this is probably a good opportunity to get it fixed and be ready for spring.
The best approach is totally clean/degrease the motor area and put a clean sheet underneath the bike and go from there...
I have seen leaks where they start in one place and the oil ends up in a whole different area underneath the bike depending on what "guides" the oil from the source to the ground.
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Brinnutz
Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 10:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yay. welcome to the club of unfixable and unknown leaks.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 10:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Look on the bright side.

If it's leaking, you're not out of oil...yet : )
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 10:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is it the rear shock?
Perhaps it's just spooge condensing out from the airbox?
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Stoked
Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 11:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My rear shock did that. I didn't notice any leaking gradually, then one morning pile of oil under it from a leaky shock.
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Scott_in_nh
Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 11:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

welcome to the club of unfixable and unknown leaks.

That's a myth! Find it - fix it. I have no paper gaskets left in my engine and have been leak free for 1.3 years (knock on wood!).

I share a garage with my brother and it has a variety of bikes and quads in it.
The only 2 that don't mark their territory is his wifes quad and my "Harley" as he calls it!
suzuki = leaks
ducati = leaks
yamaha = leaks
buell = no leaks

as others mentioned, clean it well enough to find where it is coming from.
Suspect any gaskets that are still the factory paper gaskets 1st!
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Brinnutz
Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 12:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Someone should compile a list of all the paper gaskets used. Scott, I nominate you!

What gaskets are paper from the factory, so I can replace them all, as I think I might pull the motor since I'll be putting new cams in, when I get them in Jan sometime.
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Texastechx1
Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 01:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm going through my engine./drivetrain in Jan to fix all my leaks and preventive maintance.
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Road_thing
Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 01:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My preventive maintenance often needs repairing, too.

rt
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Brinnutz
Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 02:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Can someone post all paper gaskets that need to be updated? I got the rocker box ones done.
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M2statz
Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 03:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

May be it is leaking because I cleaned the bike before I stored it for the winter. I will spend more time investigating the leak. The shop is not heated but heavily insulated. Thanks and will keep you all posted.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 04:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I *think* the only gaskets that were never paper are:

Cylinder base
Engine case to primary

I believe all the others, at one point or another, were paper...

+1 on the clean/run/trace process. My smartass comment above was just that - totally non-constructive, lol.
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Scott_in_nh
Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 04:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Can't promise that I go them all or that they all are literally paper, but here are the leak prone gaskets with improved versions available (usually rubber coated metal);

Rocker box
cylinder base gasket (this is the only one I am not sure whether it has been replaced in my bike)
starter motor gasket (I've seen a very experienced rider crash due to ignoring this one!)
primary cover gasket
gear box cover gasket

Feel free to add any I missed!

Rat, the primary cover gasket was paper too (that was my 1st leak after purchase)!

(Message edited by scott_in_nh on December 17, 2008)
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Ratbuell
Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 05:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Scott - I knew the primary cover gasket was. I just can't remember - last one I worked on was a big twin - if there's a gasket between the primary and the engine on a Buell, or if the Sporty motor has a single casting and the only primary gasket is the cover.

Now that I think more about it, it's one casting. I should have remembered that from when I had to replace a mainshaft bearing in my S1W....
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Newbuellertoo
Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 11:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Check and see if it's coming from the clutch cable. I usually put my bike on my center stand if its sitting any length of time. The snow came early this year and after 5 weeks on the side stand, it started leaking down the cable from the derby cover area. I assume when the bike is sitting upright, there's not as much oil in that area. Mine has stopped now.
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Pkforbes87
Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2008 - 07:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The athletes foot powder spray works well for making oil leaks obvious. Spray it generously then wait for an area of white powder turning black
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M2statz
Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2008 - 10:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The leak has stopped and I can not tell where it came from. With the holidays rapidly approaching and the trails open for the sled it may have to wait until after the new year. I do not have a center stand to put it on. Is this a good thing to do for storage over long periods of time?
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Pkforbes87
Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2008 - 10:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Personally I like getting both tires off the ground during storage. Before I got stands I just parked her on carpet which caused no apparent flat spots on the tires. Just had to keep a drip pan for those never-ending leaks =]
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Kalali
Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2008 - 10:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How did you guys make/put the center stand?
I put pieces of wood under the side stand leg to make it as upright as possible.
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Brinnutz
Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2008 - 10:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Kalali,

A company called "CenterStand" made a stand that went under the pegs. Only lifted the rear though.



I've got one, but they are hard as hell to find.
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Dfbutler
Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2008 - 01:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Al at American Sport Bike had them. Call him. I've been using one from him for a couple of years.
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Brinnutz
Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2008 - 01:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oh yeah, he may have some left.
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Pkforbes87
Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2008 - 01:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've got one of the center stands and a pit bull for the front. While using both you need about a 1" block of wood or something under the center stand or the front stand will sit the rear tire back on the ground.
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