| Author | Message | ||
     Pkforbes87 |
I may have a 2002 X1 soon after Christmas to keep my 2000 X1 company. Are there any differences in the 2 model years? | ||
| Ratbuell |
AFAIK, just some software in the EFI. '02 is regarded by many as the "most sorted" of the EFI tubers. | ||
| P_squared |
The more sorted = more ponies (Data source: http://motoprofi.com/) ’00 X1 – 95 HP @ 6200 RPM/85.29 ft-lbs @ 5600 RPM ’02 X1 – 101 HP @ 6000 RPM/89.74 ft-lbs @ 5500 RPM If that data is correct, 6 more HP and ~5.5 ft-lbs more torque. | ||
| Buellsrule |
I'm not sure where motoprofi get's there info. but there is no mechanical difference between an '02 and a '00. The engines were the same in every respect. Buell did an ecm update to improve driveability but this did not change peak HP or TQ numbers according to Buell. | ||
| Kalali |
"’00 X1 – 95 HP @ 6200 RPM/85.29 ft-lbs @ 5600 RPM" My '00 X1 Owners Manual says 101 HP and 90 lb-ft. Don't remember the RPM off hand. | ||
| Kalali |
And the only obvious difference is the "improved" shift linkage assembly. | ||
| Pkforbes87 |
Thanks. I've got 01+ shifter on my 00 too. Just wondering if there is any reason to get the 02 manual. If I buy the 02 it will need engine work. Just the winter project I was looking for! | ||
| Hootowl |
There are differences in the motors from 1999-2000 having to do with the lifters. I think there may have been flywheel changes too. The rated HP/torque numbers didn't change though. | ||
| Ratbuell |
"’00 X1 – 95 HP @ 6200 RPM/85.29 ft-lbs @ 5600 RPM" I suspect these are rear wheel numbers, not flywheel numbers (like the factory uses). | ||
| P_squared |
Again, I can't vouch to the accuracy of the source. Just found the site the other day & seemed to be a quick & easy reference for model differences. It would be interesting to dyno 'identical' bikes from '00 & '02 to see if there really is a difference & if so, where in the power the difference occurs. I'll put that on my bucket list of things to do.  | ||
| Jstfrfun |
From what I've been told(Al at American Sport Bike), the differences are the flywheel is lighter by 10% and 2nd gear was also different(ratio unclear),also some changes in temp sensor location and oil passage in the side cover. So the flywheel change and 2nd gear make for a REAL difference in the seat of the pants feel! | ||
| Lemonchili_x1 |
I think the '02's had some recall stuff as standard? The shock and the exhaust mount maybe? | ||
| Buellsrule |
The change was between '99 and '00. Not '00 and '02. Even still the '99's and the '00's made the same power. 101HP at the crank. BR. | ||
| Mbsween |
The 14.5" shock came on the 01 as did the improved shift linkage. The only differences between an 01 and an 02 were colors and logos. The 01 was the only year that didn't get any recalls | ||
| Hootowl |
And of course, the 99's had the completely unnecessary scoops in the fuel cell cover. They look bad arse though. | ||
| Pkforbes87 |
I put the 99 tank cover on my 00 for the scoops. Well, it's official! I bought the 2002. Now I'll just have to wait for it to be shipped. My plan after I get it running is to put the nuclear wheels and molten plastics from my 2000 onto the 2002, then sell the 2000 model. I'm interested in seeing how much difference the flywheel and 2nd gear make on a butt dyno. | ||
| Ratbuell |
PK - you'll notice the difference. My S1W (stock thunderstorm w/Buell race kit) and my S2 (thunderstormed, X1 cams, Buell race muffler, Buell S1W race ignition) are set up basically the same way. HUGE difference between the two, and the weights aren't *that* different. Duh, forgot to post first time out (edit) - the S2 has the heavy Sporty flywheels, the S1W has lighter wheels - that's the main diff between the two. (Message edited by ratbuell on December 18, 2008) | ||
| Pkforbes87 |
Well the '02 just got delivered. Battery is dead so I put her on the charger. Tomorrow is gonna be a LOOONG day at work waiting to get home and check out "Black Betty". | ||
| Kalali |
Congratulations... The best thing after having a Tuber is having two Tubers... From where I sit, this cold weather and not being able to ride is killing me... | ||
| Sloppy |
The '00 and '02 have the same engine and tranny. There are no dyno differences from the factory. From memory, the changes were cosmetic - instead of paint, the plastic had the color throughout the part and a different shift linkage. There was an ecm change, but I thought that was done on '99 to '00. '02 also had some cool frame colors! | ||
| Hurricaneleah |
Some late build 2002's got the XB rods. Same thing for 2003 XL sportsters. | ||
| Akbuell |
In browsing through my '01SM, there are detail changes noted here and there. For example, the section on the oil pump states that '01 models have a new style pump; the gearcase section advises 'new high contact ratio cam gears' ect. So essentially the same bike, but with detail improvements. I don't know if any of the differences would involve torque or wear specs. Hope this helps, Dave | ||
| Pkforbes87 |
99% sure the 2002's front cylinder has a broken connecting rod. Buell only sells flywheels, crank, rods as 1 whole unit so I may be looking to repair it with aftermarket parts. If that starts looking too expensive there will be a lot of 2002 X1 parts in the classifieds soon. | ||
| Yo_barry |
The 2000 probably has the thinner primary chain tension shoe. This should be replaced on the 2000 if not already done. The 02 came from the factory with the beefer part. | ||
| Buellsrule |
How do you know it's a connecting rod? If it is, you can find them on ebay cheap. This is a major repair. Before you part it out consider posting it for sale here on the BadWeb. | ||
| Jstfrfun |
You could do an engine swap, from the 2k to the '02. Since the differences are the cleaned up ECM and all the re-call stuff is sorted out. BTW how much did this '02 cost? | ||
| Pkforbes87 |
$2025 for the '02 + $519 for shipping it. I had it in the truck today and ran by a shop to check on parts prices. One of the mechanics said he was interested in buying it. I told him an offer over $3k and it's his. I'll be going back Friday to see if he wants it or not. Doesn't matter to me either way. I'm not interested in swapping engines because my '00 runs fine so IMHO would be a pointless PITA. If the guy doesn't offer enough I'll have a cheap bike to take apart and learn something. Don't have to worry about breaking anything  | ||
| Jstfrfun |
Well, I guess you get what you pay for. I would have smelled a rat for that amount. Pity you can't whoop some a$$ for sending you a broke dic dog. That said, it would be a great project if in fact the rod is bad(and not to much internal damage)and not something else,like a bearing or broken ring. Time to brush-up on your engine skills! | ||
| Pkforbes87 |
It was advertised as a non-running bike. Said the plugs had been pulled, front plug was bent and nothing else was looked at. I normally wouldn't have jumped at something like that, but this one caught my attention for some reason. |
