| Author | Message | ||
     Bernd |
I have the chance to buy a 2000 X1. I specifically bought my M2 because I like the simplicity of carbs. Straight up: is the X1 fuel injection going to cause me grief? I'm not a smart man, if that helps. | ||
| Preybird1 |
No it shouldnt i have a 01 x1w i had changed my intake seals, on the manifold and throttle body this is the easiest bike i have ever worked on. I had some probs with this bike but mostly slackers before me just rode it. some people are ignorant like that. Once its all serviced this bike is bullet proof. I hate carbs they always gave me problems on my bike on my cars. I love fuel injection on anything when its working well. Go look at a evo sporster motor with carb on it and engine work stage 3 1350 cc axtell motor 95 inch stacks? kit. it will hit almost exactly the same torque and rwhp of the thunder storm heads on the x1 without a carb now if its fuell injected that turns into 15-20 hp gain on the 1350cc kit. so fuel injection is the way to go. Oh by the way this is a help forum and all your going to see is help stuff for common problems. most people first get here and read all this crap and they think uh oh what did i buy I DID IT I WORKED SOME BUGS OUT BIKE IS BAD. they got it backwards. the bikes are solid. I WANT 2 MORE, I SEE YOU THERE LITTLE BIKES COME TO ME! (Message edited by preybird1 on September 25, 2008) | ||
| Bad_karma |
Berni, I had a 99 S3 that the dealer couldn't get the FI fixed. But with ECMSPY, American Sport Bike has a software program available and the ease of carburetor conversion I think it will be a manageable option should it be a problematic FI. No offense Russ but fuel injection has some maturing to do before I am willing to trust my riding to it. I would not hesitate buying the 2000 X1 because of FI. Joe | ||
| Scott_in_nh |
Sorry to disagree Joe, but with the release of ECMSPY, Fuel Injection is mature. I think most ridability problems from the factory are caused by getting it to pass the EPA requirements. Now that there is a way around that, FI is very reliable, tunable and easy to troubleshoot. I will allow an exception to that - if you have a wiring problem it can be hard to diagnose and find. Antiques or collector bikes/cars aside and given a choice, I would never own a carbureted vehicle again! There is a learning curve to FI that, IMO, many guys don't want to participate in and that is why they bad mouth FI (not referring to anyone in particular). Not too long ago there was a poster in Old School that was considering a carb conversion. We talked him out of it and had him up and running in about 10 posts. At the same time there was a poster that did do the carb conversion. I did not follow the thread so maybe they were talking about the weather or their girlfriends, but it went past 50 posts. | ||
| Kalali |
I think most folks complain about the EFI system because it is not as readily tunable as carburated fuel/air delivery intake systems. And in most cases you have to go to the dealer for almost every problem with the EFI. And furthermore, most if not all dealers are reluctant to make any changes to the ECM to improve performance. Otherwise, there is really no good reason why anyone would "prefer" carburation over fuel injection. But now that we have the ability to "talk" to the EFI system to run diagnostics and fine tune the entire fuel delivery program, there is no reason to "dislike" EFI. Aside from a handful of sensors and a couple of injectors, there is really nothing there...Well, forgot to mention all the colored wires... | ||
| Babired |
Berni, I bought my X1 in 2000 and still have it. The fuel injection works like a charm on the X1, however, I have had the heat and O2 sensors go up on it lots of times. I don't have to toggle a fuel valve and I don't have to worry about it sputtering in the mountains, it adjusts automatically. I don't work on my bike dealer does, so are you worried about working on it, or how mechanically free it will be for how many miles? I've got over 30,000 on mine and I commute with it a lot. K | ||
| Bernd |
The Buell tubers didn't really get on my radar until last September when I chased a guy on a Thunderbolt around the twisties for a weekend. The look, the sound...yeeha!! I did a bit of reading here and sorta got the impression I should stay away from first gen. fuelies. Computer, sensors etc.= scary. I bought a Cyclone and absolutely love it to bits. If I added the X1 and had problems I could ride the Cyclone while I'm sorting out the X1. I'm not totally against the idea of learning new stuff and am defianately on board with fuel injection. My cars have had it for years, all good. My concern was specifically the 1st gen Buell injection. Am I going to be beholden to a dealer with specialized tools if things go haywire? | ||
| Scott_in_nh |
Mine is a "dreaded 99" and runs extremely well and is very reliable. I have not needed any special tools outside of ECMSPY and the cable for it. | ||
| Chasespeed |
Yep, my X1 is a 99 as well... once the Race ECM was on there(took a few days to get it to me), it was flawless. This has actually been the most trouble free bike I have owned, hands down... jury is still out on my 08 HD... Dont stress the EFI, there is more than enough info, parts, knowledge, etc, out there. EFI is mature.... Chase | ||
| Easy_rider |
I've had a '99 S3T for four years, put a race ecm on right away, and it's never been a problem other than I feel like it fights going over a 100 mph. The ecmspy is on my wish list to check into it, but for all I know the problem might be in the wrist. FI on tubers should not be confused with the more recent FI complaints. | ||
| Fullauto |
My '99 X1 hasn't had a EFI problem at all in 67,000 km. All the sensors are original. I got ecmspy and a cable and do my own TPS resets. Beautiful. | ||
| Ducxl |
Mine is a "dreaded 99" and runs extremely well and is very reliable. +1 Just as the 1125r guys' either experience a flawless machine or one plagued by defects,my X1 has been a flawless machine.Especially in the FI department. I don't get how BMC can make both flawless and flawed machinery in this day and age of Quality controls.Completely baffles' me. | ||
| Babired |
When I'm on the X1 with a bunch of XB riders they can't take their eyes off of it. you should get the X1 it is a sweet ride and I don't think you would have problems selling it if you din't like it. Then if you got the X1 you would have multiple bike disorder! K | ||
| Preybird1 |
Oh yeah this bike is sweet i pulled along side a punk on sporster and he couldnt keep his eyes off it. He was so lucky i had my g.friend on the back and he got tozip off and think hes bad!!!! Oh so lucky he was. |
