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     Spanktor |
Doods, This is the second roller/chain guide that I went through since I bought the bike a few months ago.(it came with the conversion on) The roller is made of plastic for some reason, would a steel replacement wear out the chain? The chain is wearing into the swing arm, It was doing this even before the roller was shredded. Has anyone had this problem before? It's an X1 swing arm that was put on this bike, would that be part of the problem? I am open to any suggestions. Thanks, Mike      (Message edited by Spanktor on September 17, 2008) (Message edited by Spanktor on September 17, 2008) | ||
| Skntpig |
hmmm looks like my bike in every way. My barnett roller dealleo (same as yours) died the same day I installed it. Now it just rides on the bare bearing. I had a grove in the mount block with my stock skinny swingarm for years. I recently (year ago) changed to the M2 or X1 alum swingarm and added the roller. I guess the problem is that we both don't have large enough front and rear sprockets so they hit the arm. If they both were larger, with a longer chain, it would keep it higher and away. From my experience once it is worn so far it won't go any further. mine is now wearing the swingarm and a little on the mount block. Let us (me) know if you find another answer. Gotta have a chain, broke 2 belts. Ride that pig! | ||
| Torqd |
Need the largest front sprocket you can get... I can't remember what tooth count we had on the s1 with chain conversion also had x1 swinger... we had no roller setup like you guys... we made a teflon shoe and bolted it to the swingarm block... worked well never any problems. | ||
| Buellfighter |
Like Torqd, I mounted a buffer to the swingarm but made it from steel, no probs in 7yrs. | ||
| Friedrice |
You could also slightly relief grind the swing arm a bit so it doesnt rub. I little metal taken away is not bad. | ||
| Rick_a |
I made a rub block there cut out of a cutting board. It's been there for six years with only 3M outdoor double stick adhesive holding it on.  Try an aftermarket roller from an MX catalog. That's a very high stress area and those rollers are designed only to prevent excessive chain slap outside of the chain, not to hold a considerable load directly in the chain path. I'm also using a cut-down primary chain tensioner from a late-70'd XL as a swingarm rub block...an idea I got from a few CCS racebikes I came across many years ago. Nevermind the dirt and rust...she's a dirty girl.  | ||
| Torqd |
Ours looked pretty much like Rick_a's first pic... Ran 2 years no problem... Then parted the bike. Good Luck | ||
| Spanktor |
Awesome thanks for the help doods. | ||
| Spanktor |
OK, I lost the all the rubber last night, just bearings left. So here's what I came up with. I used a corner of my wife's cutting board(thanks Rick_a). I haven't tested it out yet. Do you think that the plastic piece will want to roll forward, or stay put?    | ||
| Skntpig |
I'm don't like that one. I just ride with mine without the rubber. It still turns the bearing and I know it won't go anywhere. It would be very dangerous if yours broke and got caught in the front sprocket. Look at the angle you are putting on the chain upward. There is so much torque on that part because it is so close to the front sprocket. The others that are further back would have much less pressure. I would rather have it rub a little than that. Carefulllllll! | ||
| Spanktor |
Yeah, it just wore though it like nothing. So that didn't work. If I just let it run on the bearings without the rubber will it damage the chain? I was thinking about replacing the original rubber with steel same dimensions and using the same bearings. It just seems to be really cutting into the block and swing arm when it runs on the bearings alone. Just wondering about heat issues with the chain on steel. | ||
| Skntpig |
You should be able to look at the natural straight line and imagine how much material it will remove before it stops. Mine stopped wearing the block and swingarm after about 1,000 miles or so. I'm sure it isn't the best for the chain so I try to clean the metal off it. It doesn't look like the bearing is wearing the chain at all. You could always adjust the bearing down so it barely touches. Once the block is worn then the next new chain shouldn't care at all. Let us know if you find a better solution. | ||
| Eshardball |
Go to a bearing supply house and get an idler sprocket designed for machinery in the correct pitch for your chain. It will have a high speed sealed bearing installed. I have had a similar problem on a power sweeper that used a pulley instead of a sprocket. Be care full not to put alot of tension on it as you are lowering the contact area of the front sprocket. It should only really be used to keep the chain from contacting the swing arm. | ||
| Davincisgarage |
Hey, im doing a chain conversion now on my X1 i ordered a 25tooth front and a 54tooth rear. I know ill have to shave down the motor mount but any suggestions on what material to use on the swing arm to stop the chain slap? I think with the sprockets i ordered once the frame mount is taken down a bit it wont rub on the swing atm but slap will be a factor.. |
