| Author | Message | ||
     Gowindward |
I've done some searching and didn't come up with a real firm conclusion to fit of the XB charging system to a tuber engine. Anyone have anything new on the subject? | ||
| Firstbuell |
well, my PHD Tech put a Big Twin bagger stator/rotor on his '99 S3, to good effect except for the pigtail [length?/plug?], I seem to remember it all went pretty easily..... | ||
| Beachbuell |
No go! | ||
| Gowindward |
"No go!" Why?? | ||
| Oldog |
IIRC the Xb charging system is 3 phase the tubers are 1 phase. | ||
| Gowindward |
Yes, the XB's do use a three phase charging system. The voltage regulator would have to be replaced as well as the stator. I'm guessing the rotor would also have to be replaced. It's about $300 in parts, so I'm trying to figure out if there are physical fit problems before buying parts. | ||
| Kinger |
well, my PHD Tech put a Big Twin bagger stator/rotor on his '99 S3, to good effect except for the pigtail [length?/plug?], I seem to remember it all went pretty easily..... What is the advantage? I lost my second stator and am looking at upgrade options. Thanks | ||
| Firstbuell |
sorry for not directly addressing the advantage my Tech was pursuing with his BT "upgrade" : wattage - output (Message edited by firstbuell on September 19, 2008) | ||
| Gowindward |
My '02 S3T puts out 22amps/297 watts max. My '04 XB12R puts out 38amps/513 watts max. The S3T doesn't have enough amps to run all of my heated clothing this winter. Jacket liner and gloves put the charging system into distress, which was 99 watts of load. The newest H-D touring bikes have a 45amp charging system. | ||
| Kinger |
Can the new HD touring components be adapted to the S3? It sounds like the XB system can be adapted. Anyone done it? | ||
| Firstbuell |
Jeez Louise, I counter that it DOESN'T look like XB components can be adapted - read above! likewise, dunno if recent BT parts'll fit, but late 90s/early 2k parts sure do..... | ||
| Beachbuell |
Anything can be done with a little cutting, grinding and welding. The real question should be is it feasible and worth it? Did you replace you voltage regulator and battery with the new stator? If not, that may be your issue. In MOST cases the stator or voltage regulator goes bad. Thus taking out the other and the battery. Seen it a million times. Good luck! | ||
| Svmotoman |
Crap, I was hoping to run may jacket and gloves also this winter on my S3T..... Can you explain why 99 out of 297 watts causes distress? Is the bike eating 200 watts already? So we would be constantly draining? No matter what? | ||
| Gowindward |
I picked up my S3T last Saturday in Maryland and road it back to Kansas. I ran into some cold wet weather and put on my heated jacket liner (rated at 77 watts) and all was good. It turned colder and I put on my heated gloves at a fuel stop. After starting the bike, I turned up the heat with the Gerbing adjustable temp controller. The engine warning light came on. Dope! Sure the bike is just not generating enough amps at idle. I turned the heat off until I was back on the road and had the rpm up. After running for a few minutes at 75mph and what about 4K rpm the engine light came back on. I turned the temp controller down and the engine light went out. I ended up unplugging my left glove and everything was fine as long as the rpm was near 4K. All that tells me I was taxing the charging system. I also have an XB12R and I added a digital voltage meter to it, to keep and eye on the charging system, especially when using heated gear. On the XB I can use heated jacket, pants, gloves and socks (77, 44, 27, 27 watts) and not tax the charging system into a negative charge state at rpm's above idle. I did find Cycle Electric makes a 38amp/3 phase (CE-69S)upgrade for Sportsters. My local dealer is going to contact Cycle Electric to get me a price. Cycle Electrics website indicates it's a stator & voltage regulator. NO rotor | ||
| Kinger |
I did find Cycle Electric makes a 38amp/3 phase (CE-69S)upgrade for Sportsters. My local dealer is going to contact Cycle Electric to get me a price. Cycle Electrics website indicates it's a stator & voltage regulator. NO rotor I was told by my dealer that Drag Spec. doesn't carry any Sportster stuff from Cycle Electric. Let me know if you find out differently. | ||
| Kinger |
I found a local rep here in WI. I was quoted $350 for the upgrade kit. I think it was part number CE-69S. The rep. raved about CE quality and said that is the only electric components that he carries. I first read about the kit on xlforum.net | ||
| Beachbuell |
Careful with the aftermarket "upgrades"! | ||
| Gowindward |
Aaron, did the rep indicated what the kit contained? Cycle Electrics web site shows a stator and voltage regulator. If that's the case then $350 is a bit high. The same components for an XB (if they would fit) would cost about $225. | ||
| Kinger |
Aaron, did the rep indicated what the kit contained? Cycle Electrics web site shows a stator and voltage regulator. If that's the case then $350 is a bit high. The same components for an XB (if they would fit) would cost about $225. He did not mention what it included. I assumed that it did not include a rotor, because he gave me the same part number as the one listed on CE's website. | ||
| Bad_karma |
Check out J&P catalog they have some upgrades listed for the sportster not sure if they have the current you guys are looking for. Joe | ||
| Svmotoman |
Ok, so let me see the math.... 297 - 99 = 198 So far I've found this, I'm sure there is lots more to be added in... Headlight 60/55 watts Tailight 5/21 watts Taking the high end thats... 60 + 21 = 81 down to 117 keep it coming guys... I'm curious.... | ||
| Svmotoman |
Turn Signal Lamps, Front and Rear 10 High Beam Indicator 2.1 Turn Signal Indicator 2.1 Oil Pressure Indicator 2.1 Neutral Indicator 2.1 Speedo Illumination 1.7 Tach Illumination 1.7 Low Fuel Lamp 1.7 Check Engine Lamp 1.7 --- 25.2 117 - 25.2 = 91.8 watts left I'm electrically clueless, so what am I missing here? | ||
| Gowindward |
ECM, Coil/ignition system, Fuel injection, fuel pump, all the sensors providing feedback to ECM. | ||
| Svmotoman |
Where does one find those numbers? There is lots of info over in the XB/Uly world... with numbers that would certainly eat up the rest... which you seemed to have proven already with your freezing left hand ride :-) Computer 25 Fuel Pump 72 Electronic Ignition 50 | ||
| Jos51700 |
You can use an ammeter (I prefer the inductive type) to determine the full electrical draw, with the bike running and everything on. Then you compare that to the amperage output of the charging system to determine the difference. Counting up all the bulbs and stuff isn't very accurate. Their resistance changes with time, and you have voltage drops throughout every circuit. Measuring is the only way to go, and HD has already told us how to do that. It's all outlined in the service manual. http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/Manuals/S1_1 996-1997_Service/BU7b.pdf | ||
| Gowindward |
I don't know. I've looked through the service manual for both the '02 S3T and '04 XB12R and could not find electrical requirements for those items. At the end of the day it just doesn't matter, because I did find the limit on my S3T. | ||
| Svmotoman |
Yea, understood.... I think I was hoping the limit you hit was specific to your S3T, and not a hard and fast rule. I'd test my new S3T out... but it's in the shop already... sigh. | ||
| Gowindward |
Larry, Why is the S3T in the shop? | ||
| Svmotoman |
Don't get me started... Ha, in summary... 4 minor oil leaks (just hose fittings) and an odd flutter at 70 and above... apparently throttle body and intake manifold related according to dealership. They tried to get Buell to step up, but to no avail. $325 for parts + 3 hr labor, I've negotiated that down a bit... and previous owner is pitching in because it started happening on first ride after I bought it. | ||
| Gowindward |
Larry, sorry to hear that. I've been searching through archives here on Badweb for repeated problems people have had and fixes, trying to prevent problems on my bike since it doesn't have any (knock on wood) and has such low miles. | ||
| Jos51700 |
"They tried to get Buell to step up, but to no avail" On a (at best) 6-year-old bike? What kind of Extended Warranty do you have? | ||
| Svmotoman |
Yea, wondered that myself... they said they were trying to get parts and/or labor covered. I was surprised to hear them say that too, but I wasn't going to argue with them. Got me as to why... low miles? customer loyalty? Probably just said it to make me feel better about having to dump money into a bike I just bought :-) | ||
| Buellistic |
If you have what you feel is a warranty problem after your warranty has run out, well HARLEY-DAIDSON(this is who you talk to when you have a BUELL warranty problem) has what is called a "OVER WARRANTY CONSIDERATION" ... |
