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Werewulf
Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2008 - 08:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

im back to converting my S-3 to a carb and have bought most of the parts (tank, carb etc)... im ready to rock n roll, except for the ignition... if i buy something like a crane ignition, is it plug n play? do i need a voes switch? how do i set the timing..im in the dark on this...
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Phat_j
Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 06:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

run the ignition that is already there.
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Numb_nutz
Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 07:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I did mine last year and used the stock set up also. I question weather or not aftermarket ignition would work better. I just bought dyna 2000 single fire, soon as the weather breaks here in michigan i can give a better report.
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Werewulf
Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 12:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

how do i run it with the ignition that is already there? just eliminate the wires that go to the fuel part? i wont have a voes?
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Koz5150
Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 01:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

To bad you can't just plug in an M2 unit, or can you?
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Bad_karma
Posted on Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 02:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dave
I run a crane fireball ignition and crane coil. No need for a VOES, but the ignition has the provision for it if you desire. There are only two wires from the Buell harness still required. The gray power wire to the coil and the Pink wire to the tach. I have my wire harness open removing the excess wires no longer required. If I remember correctly the red wire is for the center terminal and is power to the ignition, the black for the front cylinder, the white to the back, brown to the tach and the green for the voes. Don't trust me look at the instructions. I feel that adding this stand alone ignition offers me the most stable and least likely to fail configuration.
Joe
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Werewulf
Posted on Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 10:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

thanks for the info joe... what kind of gas mileage are you getting with out the voes???
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Jstfrfun
Posted on Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 10:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Daytona Twin Tech system is a good value and has good versatility. I got mine out of the Tucker Rocky Bikers Choice catalog for about 300 total(you'll need the rotor) check it out.
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Bad_karma
Posted on Friday, April 04, 2008 - 03:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dave
Sorry for the late reply. Didn't notice a change in the fuel economy but the motor was hurt. It now has an 88" with a HSR 45. Will get a fell for consumption this spring.
Joe
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Hugie03flhr
Posted on Friday, April 04, 2008 - 11:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What year sportster ignition is the same as a 2002 M2 buell? Everytime I look up an aftermarket ignition, they only list sportsters THANKS
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Bad_karma
Posted on Saturday, April 05, 2008 - 01:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

William
Pretty sure that late ninety's on will fit at least up 2002. But call/email the vendor and ask. If I'm wrong someone jump in.
Joe
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Xldevil
Posted on Saturday, April 05, 2008 - 09:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What year sportster ignition is the same as a 2002 M2 buell?

None

Unlike all the former Cyclones,the 2002 version has some kind of ECM.Maybe because of the POP sensor,I donĀ“t know.But I know that this more X1 like ignition setup, is not compatible to the SportstersĀ“ blackbox.

Ralph
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Werewulf
Posted on Saturday, April 05, 2008 - 01:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

well, i called daytona twin tech yesterday and got a lesson from the tech support...they are sending me a complete setup with voes and spark plug wires for about 4 bills.. all i need with this kit is a hot wire, im told..
so, let the games begin... i started tearing appart my S-3 today...now i need an intake manifold, anyone have one?
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Werewulf
Posted on Saturday, April 05, 2008 - 04:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

well, the funk has already started...i ordered some xb rocker boxes to upgrade as part of my project.. the parts that i recieved are identical, not front and rear... i called the parts guy and he is clueless as to what parts i have...i have done the search and cant find pics of the conversion, to see if the parts might fit..anyone know where the pics have gone? i thought htat the numbers cast inside the boxes were what you go by, but the parts man says no..
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Warlizard
Posted on Saturday, April 05, 2008 - 07:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Here is what you need according to Don Castro
17605-00YB - Rocker cover, front head
17642-02A - Rocker cover, rear head
17606-00YA - Grommet, Viton, Black (need 2)
17607-00Y - PCV Valve (need 2)
868A - Hex Socket Button Head Screw (need 2)
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Werewulf
Posted on Saturday, April 05, 2008 - 07:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

thats what i ordered, but i got another part number....i was hoping to get a pic of the xb rockers installed, so i can see if i can fabricate a fix...
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Werewulf
Posted on Saturday, April 05, 2008 - 07:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

im also going to put sportster one inch handlebars with standard harley controls on the bike...it looks like the cable travel is longer on the buell clutch cable.. shouldnt the buell and the sporty have the same basic clutch, therefore the same cable travel...
i ran into this same problem a couple of years ago, when i put a mikuni carb on my M-2 that had been on my dyna....it seemed like the throttle cables had too much travel that couldnt be adjusted out of them.. im just open to ideas and i guess im rambling... this has turned out to be a big project....
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