| Author | Message | ||
     Nosaj3006 |
2001 X1... Put the buell away for winter about 2 months ago. I topped off the tank, put fuel stabilizer in and parked it. We recently had a day above 40 so i decided to go for a ride. It would only fire on the rear cylinder. (sounded like a lawn tractor on roids) I pulled the plugs, they are wet but they still have a spark. (shocked the shit out of myself cause im an amature) I put it back together and tried it again. This time neither cylinder will turn over. Any Ideas??? | ||
| Mick |
I would drain the tank and put some fresh stuff in it, may as well put new plugs in and run a bit of injector cleaner too. | ||
| Bad_karma |
Jason Make sure the Battery is fully charged. Joe | ||
| Numb_nutz |
You flooded the engine . New plugs are needed or clean the ones you have with carb cleaner and blow them dry. the reason your plugs will spark {i assume you checked them out of the motor} is there not under compression. If you X1 is like my S3 its very touchy when its cold. | ||
| Ducxl |
I had a discussion yesterday with a big RV owner who suggested that the new gasoline with 10% ethanol can separate over a period causing very poor running.This has me wondering,i shut down my X1 back in October.I'll try starting it today,if I have issues i'll post them here.HHHmmmmmm?  | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
I've had no issues with the new gas with my X1. I have left it alone for a maximum of 3 months and have never used sta-bil. Perhaps the issue is the sta-bil? That stuff i mostly alcohol too, isn't it? | ||
| Firemanjim |
Put new plugs in it and make sure battery is tip top shape as FI likes correct voltage. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
+1 on the battery. If the computer doesn't get enough juice, it gets all confused. There is probably nothing wrong with your bike that a recharged battery and $5 worth of spark plugs won't fix. | ||
| Bikerjim99 |
You can try the handyman's secret weapon (not duct tape!), starting fluid. | ||
| Cbm2 |
Mine did the exact same this year, I just cleaned the plugs and it started right up. | ||
| Brokeneck |
What they said -- remember just cause the ambient temp is 40 degrees outside the garage, doesn't mean you still don't have a Buellcicle inside the garage. The bike is still probably 25 degrees. I've had similar problems with my 2000 FI'd Thunderbolt since new. You've just fouled your plugs -- buy a couple of new ones and install them -- clean and keep the old ones in your tank bag for spares. Nothing wrong with a shot of starting fluid -- but the secret IS a fully charged battery. Buy -- and use a battery tender. If I remember to plug mine in after I ride she starts even if it is near zero degrees -- without it she'll foul plugs every other cold weather start if she's been sittin' more than a couple of days. | ||
| Koz5150 |
If my bike sits for more then a month, a small squirt of Starting fluid does the trick everytime. | ||
| Flyingyankee |
Guys: If you leave think you're gonna leave your bike alone with gas in it for more than 30 days, drain the tank, and run the gas out of the motor. This Ethenol gas breaks down and starts to gel. I didn't have this probelm with my bike bike, but I did with my boat. Also the Ethenol raises Hell with any plastic parts you have in the fuel line. This may or may not be part of Nosa's problem - but its a good idea to live by. | ||
| Jos51700 |
Starting fluid bad. = goodbye ringseal. You stabilised the fuel in the tank, but did you run it so that good stabilised fuel got to the pump guts, lines, and injectors? If not, you're fuel system beyond the tank probably has lots of varnish and skunk-tastic fuel in it. Don't blame the E10 fuel. Fuel was gumming up years before Ethanol blends. The worst part of E-blends is water contamination. I store my stuff with e10, and have no issue when it's stabilised. I do plug vents and seal the vehicle as much as possible when storing, to avoid absorbing water. Some guys clean plugs, some guys don't. My philosophy? They're out to be cleaned? Plugs are cheap, don't you be. New ones. Once the fuel soaks into the porcelain, they're never quite the same. It really shouldn't take much to get it started. I might put a little gasoline (Like 1/2 a teaspoon, don't go nuts) down the intake. For upper cylinder lubrication reasons though, I prefer to use starting spray as a last result. It's better for cleaning the oil off of parts. | ||
| Lake_bueller |
My S3T will only start the first time in the spring. Then it needs to have the plugs replaced. I even spray mister into the cylinders. It's just something I've learned to live with over the past 9 years  | ||
| Mikej |
I'll let you all know how my bikes and gas left in them do once it comes time to start them up. Winter sort of snuck up on me this year so nothing got winterized nor battery tendered. I suspect all I'll have to do is a minor charge on the batteries, turn on the petcock, and hit the switch. We'll see in a few weeks or so. Garage door is frozen shut with about an inch or more of ice up against it from the recent rain and thaw/freeze, and I'm not about to go chipping away at it just to start the bikes. | ||
| Phat_j |
jos, are u kidding me, your against using starting fluid, but your willing to dump a spoon full of raw liquid (not atomized) fuel into the throttle? now tha will wash down the side of the cylinder and right into your bottom end........ now what? this guy just needs to replace his plugs and ride....... i've seen it way too many times. | ||
| Freeflyer |
dido on clean the plugs, at least thats what it was for me last year. | ||
| Hillbilly |
You guys should move to florida and ride all year long.Wont see that problem.. | ||
| Fasted |
great roads, but they are mostly snoozers for a bueller craving elevation changes and assorted curves and corners...... | ||
| Jos51700 |
phat_j 1/2 teaspoon = 2.5 milliliters. Also known as 2.5 Cubic Centimeter's. The little cup that came with your Nyquil, go look at that and find 1 teaspoon, and divide that by half. That's not enough for any liquid fuel to make it to the valve, let alone the piston, rings, or bottom end. And, while gasoline isn't good for maintaining oil on a given surface, it's not a tenth as bad as Ether/starting fluid. The fuel wash from a DDFI Buell on a cold startup is way worse, it's directed directly into the cylinder! No, phat_j, I am not kidding you. Follow directions, measure out 1/2 teaspoon of gasoline, and see for yourself that it is far from "a spoon full". Poured on a flat surface, it's maybe a 2 to 2.5 inch wet spot. The goal is to provide supplemental starting fuel beyond what the FI or enrichener can provide, not create additional issues through ham-fisted repair methods. It's not your fault, most guys aren't familiar with a cooking measurement like "teaspoon". I probably should've said CC's or Ml's or something else. | ||
| Phat_j |
my point jos is not the amount, but rather that it is not a mist, now if you wanna do it right, take that fuel put it into a spray bottle and put it on fine mist then spray.......furthermore, the gas itself is not what burns, its the vapors.... just a tablespoon of food for thought. (Message edited by phat j on March 06, 2008) | ||
| Jos51700 |
That's fine, until the engine backfires (remember, we're adding fuel because it's probably a bit lean at this point. What do lean engines do? Right. They belch fire back through the intake). I prefer to save the hand-on-fire routine for nights at the bar, where the tip cup is handy. Pouring a small amount into the intake allows airflow over the fuel (When cranking), causing...... Evaporation! What is E-vapor-ation? Making the liquid fuel into the part that burns! (I'm guessing you like to remove accelerator pumps from your carbs, because they don't inject a mist into your engine?) (Message edited by jos51700 on March 06, 2008) | ||
| Brokeneck |
Did someone say wet spot??? | ||
| Jos51700 |
A wet spot that burns. Not as good as you'd originally hoped for. | ||
| Nosaj3006 |
Thanks for all of you help. I picked the simplelest thing to do first and she fired right up. The spark plugs had spark but aparently not enough. I changed them out, cleaned the air filter and vrooom! No need for starting fluid so you guys dont have to argue anymore. THANKS AGAIN |
