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Torquemonster
Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 11:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Attempting to install the updated Y mount and D&D tonight and this happened...

Please tell me I didnt dork this up.

Removed old "L" bracket without supporting the engine. When I went to reinstall the large top bolt I realized that not everything lines up.





I gently jacked the motor up to see if it would line back up. No dice.

Is there a way for a "one man show" to remedy this nightmare?



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Jramsey
Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 12:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No problem, just push/shove/pry/the shock mounting bracket into place, much easier if the weight is off the rear of the bike.
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Torquemonster
Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 12:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks J. I thought Id screwed up royally.
Guess itll have to wait until I can get a 2nd body to help.

Can I ask you another dumb question?
I got this bracket with my kit.




Is it for the new front mount or is it the stock rear exhaust bracket? It fits both spots, but looks like its to remount the module and secure the Y mount.

The bike didnt come with stock exhaust, and my pops has my manuals so I dont know.



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Torquemonster
Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 12:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If it were for the front, it would change the position of the module (er...voltage regulator) from this



to this



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Jos51700
Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 12:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That is the bracket for your voltage regulator (I think you're calling it a "module"). I believe there are instructions for the shock recall on here, and they will cover the proper installation of that bracket.
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Torquemonster
Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 12:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah, Im a smart one. Ha. My manuals are at my father in laws- hence the dazed and confused manner in which im doing this. Ill go search for that info. Thanks so much.


Damn. Guess its about THIS time....



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Oldog
Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 12:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Travis

If you have jack stands you can catch the passenger peg mounts on the stands. have the wife hold the front wheel strait
pick the bike up from the back (if possible ) push the stands in with your foot. be sure that the stands are up high enough. the front bracket ceases to be a fight.

jim..
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Torquemonster
Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 12:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Jim. Lemme think about wakin' the ol lady up to help.....

Man, I appreciate the hell outta you guys.

Beers or soda pops on me if we meet at March Badness.
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Jos51700
Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 12:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A ratchet strap, from the rear wheel to the front, will do the trick without an assistant.

The shock forward-mount just needs to pivot.

Recall B032 Shows the proper mounting for the regulator bracket, but I can't upload the PDF, Badweb hates big attachments.
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Jos51700
Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 12:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

B032 is your friend

Click Here (It's the last post):

http://badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/3842/10 419.html?994421624

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Jos51700
Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 12:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Note that the regulator bracket applies to all except S1/S1W (Since it's up front, I'm assuming you don't have one of those), and you MUST remove a bit of paint before installation, as shown in the instructions.
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Oldog
Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 12:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

OK dont WAKE the SCU



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Littlebuggles
Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 12:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

TM,

You can put the bike up on jack stands without waking the Mrs (might be easier if you wait to finish that tall one)if you carefully rock the bike up on a stand, one side at a time, you'll want to set the stands in place before though. Be careful and rest the bike against your body as you nudge the second stand in place. Did I mention to be careful? I had done this a number of times and got a bit lazy about the process and dumped my bike on its side last summer.
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Littlebuggles
Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 12:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oh yeah, there's some zip ties on the wires for the regulator, hidden under the bottom of the cam cover, if you clip those off you'l have more slack to work with on repositioning the reg.

Good luck, this project goes better with a buddy to assist with the beer, but can be done alone too.

Old dog, what's holding up the front of the bike? You have a jack under the front of the engine?
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Torquemonster
Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 01:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Got 'er done, boy! Well, not ALL done, but everything lines up again.

I dont know why I thought I needed the Z bracket for a D&D muff. I swear I only had ONE beer.
Which bracket do I need? This pipe wont just bolt up to the bike because the muff tabs dont appear to be long enough.

Thanks again all, and Im sure the wife thanks you for letting her sleep, too!
Beers or soda pops on me if you're at badness this year.

thank you!

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Mikej
Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 10:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ensure, as noted above, that you did remove a little paint. When this kit first came out there were a few people who had issues with the module not being grounded and causing other problems because of it.
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Torquemonster
Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 10:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah, I got a little bit scraped off.

Do I need the "Z" bracket to get this can to mount up? I cant see any other way, and I recieved no rear bracket in my update kit from Buell or in the D&D kit.
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Richieg150
Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 04:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That may work for relocating your voltage regulator,bit me thinks it is the rear support bracket that goes where the stock bracket mounted the stock exhaust.It looks similar to the rear bracket that is supplied with the Vance&Hines SR22 slip-on that I have.
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Oldog
Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 05:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

LittleB:

Yes look just above the yellow catch pan, I have a floor jack there at that time.
a cheap bottle jack works ok too.

word of warning, when supported in that manner its a bit tippy

BTW that is an excelent description of how to put the sled up on stands

I gotta get motor-vated and get my bits done soon the swing arm bearings will likely need attention.
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Torquemonster
Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 06:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Richie,
Thats what I thought at first, but it is in fact for the voltage regulator. B032 shows that is. (look up at JOS51700's post)

Thanks for posting that, John. Idve never found that info!

My bike came with the V&H SS2R and no stock leftover parts, so now I need to locate a Z bracket to mount this can. Didnt see one on American Sport Bike and thought that it shouldve come with the updated Y mount kit. The box I got from HD was taped up as if someone had already gotten into it.
Anyone order a Y mount kit and get a Z bracket with it?
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Nevrenuf
Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 08:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i don't remember getting a z bracket with the y mount when i changed out the force pipe that came on the bike when i got it. it's 02 anyhow and wouldn't need it but still didn't get on with it.
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Brokeneck
Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 10:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just went though this about 4 months ago.Wife and sons were out as were my riding buddies, so I thought I would try it by myself as the bike was now apart and I was gonna-be leaving on a 2000 mile ride in the morning.

To take the weight off the back of the machine I pulled the swing off of our 2 person lawn swing and placed the frame over the back of the bike. Then I tied a short loop of rope around the frame after taking off the seat. Then I attached a ratchet tie down to both and ratcheted the bike up. Worked great.

That bracket IS to relocate the regulator --Be careful and reroute the voltage regulator wires on the right hand side of the bike or you will be stressing them for sure. Bneck
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Cyclonemduece
Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 12:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i held my bike in the air by a engine hoist, and have yet to install my d&d tho, hows it workin out, mid if i drop you line if i hit a prob?
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Al_lighton
Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 08:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The rear z bracket is NOT included with the Y mount update kit. There is a rear bracket included, but it is the stock pipe wrap around bracket, not the Z bracket.

Pay attention to the step in B-032 where it says to scrape away a small bit of paint. Disregard that step and you'll likely be buying a new voltage regulator soon.

AL
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Road_thing
Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 11:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A ratchet strap, from the rear wheel to the front, will do the trick without an assistant.

Jos57100, great idea! Wish I'd thought of that a couple of shock replacements ago!

rt
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Aaomy
Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 11:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

used to do that or front to kick stand on the s2t,, keep it from rolling forward off the side stand when working on the bike. gotta love the old s2 side stands.. used to scare the crap out of people when you leaned it over.. ended up making my own side stand, holds more gas when you fill it now!!!
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Jos51700
Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2008 - 11:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How'd you know my name was John?

S2=always park in gear. I could never figure out why it was done that way.

Grounding, be it battery, regulator, or engine, is important on all rubber-mount Buells (and H-D, for that matter). I've seen more than one catch fire due to grounding through the clutch cable. If your clutch feels gritty, check ALL your ground connections.
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Torquemonster
Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2008 - 01:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I knew your name is John because I am a psychic...a visionary. Wait, wait...im getting something....youre buying an 1125R...youre paying cash...youre signing the title...over TO ME!

Actually, you listed it in your profile.

Would the "gritty" feel come from the cable getting fried by electrical current?
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Jos51700
Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2008 - 04:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If the cable is carrying current (Ground current due to faulty grounds elsewhere in the system), the cable heats up, and melts the nylon sleeve inside the cable. Then, without the nylon sleeve guide, the rough surface of the inner cable grates on the rough outer windings, resulting in grittyness. I've seen more than one get bad enough to actually ignite.

Not lubing a cable will eventually cause the same gritty condition (Not the bikes I service, because I lube cables religiously), but it's usually many years, or hard unloving miles later because the wear doesn't occur unless you're using the clutch, and therefore the cable.

I won't buy an 1125R. I'll build my own watercooled bike before I buy one.

My profile, huh? I doubted anyone would bother researching me...
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Torquemonster
Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2008 - 05:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Eh, sometimes I feel odd calling people by their screen name.

I know youre not going to buy an 1125R. Youre going to buy one for me! I'm psycho, I mean psychic I tell ya! ha. yeah...not funny.

Thanks for the lesson. Im going to go home tonight and make dang sure I scraped enough paint off of the bracket.
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