| Author | Message | ||
     Whosbeenfartin |
Can the XB Cooling fan be used on a tuber? Where does the XB fan attach (on an XB) anyone have a picture? I have to do stop and go driving where I live and need to try something when I get this bike back on the road. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
I think the XB fans are run off of the computer. They do sell aftermarket fans but they look crappy. You really don't need one anyways. Just change your oil every 5000 miles or if it gets dark. Mine just crossed 78,000 miles today. These engines do get hot in traffic but it doesn't seem to kill them. | ||
| Whosbeenfartin |
I have a small adjustable thermo switch, that would work perfectly for this. | ||
| Bob_thompson |
Whos, I do have a big 8 inch fan on my M2 but its hidden behind the full fairing so its not ugly or showing. I would not clutter up a nice tuber with a fan but I would suggest a head temp. guage as I also have to monitor engine heat and act accordingly. Even with that said you should still have a thermal switch from the factory that interupts the ignition when too high temperatures are reached. It merely fires every other cycle allowing you to get safely home or to a place to cool down. Never had that happen though. | ||
| Warlizard |
Don't know why you would need a fan? The hotter the weather, the better mine runs. I routinely run thru heavy traffic in Chicago in 90+ weather. Never had an issue. Just keep oil clean and I recommend synthetics for engine but not in trans. What may help is running a bigger filter ( i.e. Motorcraft ) this will give you an extra qt. of capacity. If your oil is clean and you still overheat, you have other issues. | ||
| Bartimus |
I don't know about waiting 'til 5000 miles to change your oil. When I lived in Phoenix, I added Jagg oil coolers to both the S2 and the S1W. I always change my oil before 2000 miles. It's cheep insurance IMHO. | ||
| Mikef5000 |
I change my oil around 3k every time. | ||
| Buellistic |
The BUELL S3/S3T COOLING FAN KIT PN Z0008.MA 99-02 should be still avalable ... Have a 1997S3T and the PARTS technican said it would not fit my 1997S3T, "i" can send you a PICTURE that it "WILL" ... The Z0008.KA is for the X1 99-02 is bacicly the same ... The FRAMES are the same where the FAN "FITS"/"MOUNTS" ... It is still on the www.buell.com site under M2,S3/S3T,and X1 accessries(details) ... In BUELLing LaFayette | ||
| Farrisbueller |
I had the idea to install the fan so it would blow through an XB oil cooler when the temp got too warm with a themo switch for off on. Mount it on the side tube like a Spurgin. I know my bike runs stronger after just warming up than on a hot afternoon in traffic. What do you think? | ||
| Ratbuell |
Yes, the S3/T kit is available vendor direct.  | ||
| Brokeneck |
I have an injected 2000 S3 -- last year it wouldn't run at all in the city if it was over 90. Really bad preignition -- the dealer finally opted to buy and install the fan kit for me at no cost -- the bike was still under warranty. This year it runs great at any temp. , but I think it has more to do with the other changes I've made since last summer -- the Race ECM forcewinder and supertrapp letting the beast breathe better in Denver's mile high thin air. I actually really like the look of the fan -- you can never have too many pegasi -- (Message edited by brokeneck on August 18, 2007) | ||
| Warlizard |
Again, I still say you don't need one. Clean syn oil and necessary upgrades ( chip,intake,exhaust,cooler plugs and a larger filter ) s/ do the trick. We basically have the same bike and mine runs best between 200-250 degrees. Even in 100 degree weather in heavy traffic, I have never had a problem. Put your money elsewhere, oil coolers and fans are gimmicks and just compensate for other problems. | ||
| Djkaplan |
"Again, I still say you don't need one." You don't know what the kit is for. The fan kit was produced specifically to cool the FI manifold on really hot days when the bike is in slow or stopped traffic. It was not designed to cool the engine or the engine oil. If you check the Buell website, you'll see that the kit isn't offered for carburetted tubers... only the injected ones. There is a reason for that. Whether you feel it's necessary or not really doesn't change the fact that Buell engineers did. | ||
| Warlizard |
Doesn't really matter what it cools if your bike isn't overheating. If the engineers thought it necessary, it would already be on the bike. Like it is on XB's. Don't you think by the 2002 model year that Buell would have them on if they felt is was required? As I said I sit in heavy traffic in 90+ weather on a regular basis w/ out issue. Last time I checked my X1 was FI. Take a look at some of the pics or mod list for people here. You will see FAR more w/ out the fan. I guess we all don't know what it's for. He can buy one if he wants, doesn't really matter to me. I still say if bike is properly tuned and well maintained it is not required. | ||
| Warlizard |
Just searched the web looking for vendors of the "necessary" cooling fan. The ONLY place that even carries it is Buell. Must be a real big seller. I also took the time to look at several profiles, have yet to find an X1 with the "necessary" fan. It would probably help if you even had an X1, then maybe your input would have some value. | ||
| Mmmi_grad |
Cooling the intake goes back to early Harley racing. You want the air charge to be cooler and denser. Its not life or death but its going to help smooth out a little how your engine performs. Esp in traffic. I remember seeing something a racer made that was on a Knuckle head. It was an air dam concentrated down onto the intake. I almost made one for my panhead but never got around to it. Id like to own one, just not for $200 bucks. http://www.suburbanharley.com/catalog/productdetails.cfm?ProductID=2523 Since the race ecm set up ( better breathing too ) really helps the motor get more air and gas and perform better.....then add fuel injection and chances are a fans worth really drops. Add the fact that fuel injectors and the hassel isnt cheap even for the experienced wrench then im asking myself " do I care about the fuel injectors?" Theoreticly speaking, after that trust the engineers Warlizard. One last thing to think about is the bikes cost. I got my X1 with 900 miles on it from the original owner. It wasnt used that much in those four years and looked like new. I got the original invoice with the deal. It was $12,000 new! (Message edited by mmmi_grad on August 19, 2007) | ||
| Brokeneck |
If you look at the Buell site on this it is specifically directed to URBAN RIDERS on injected models. My fan rarely comes on --but it DOES come on when I commute into the city and have to run from light to light. I'm sure this "optional" fan would be standard if Buell were still fitting the Sportster based FI motors on their new bikes. Like I said my problems were only solved with better intake, exhaust and computer --- and all of these things are not street legal --- an FI equipped Buell will run lean in its stock trim and thus run hotter and hotter. Or at least that's my theory --- Bneck | ||
| Oldog |
IIRC the fan was standard on japanese market buells, due to heat and fuel quality issues. BTW its a 12v boxer fan try a computer shop. or Ebay an XB fan .. your right leg is going to get REAL WARM.. BTW WL I HAD one that I installed to cool the manifold and it has been removed, with the scoop and air box, and I run a Jagg oil cooler and up to this spring I had a temp gauge on the sled the cooler helps when moving. (Message edited by oldog on August 19, 2007) | ||
| Oldog |
Fartin: Assuming that you have an X1 or an S3 the common place is in the triangle by the clutch cable mount or in the scoop I put mine under the scoop opening crossing the manifold and injectors. | ||
| Brokeneck |
Actually I can't even tell when it's running unless I look at it. You can't hear it when the bike is running, but as soon as you shut it off it sounds like a vacuum is running. As far as heat-- it actually blows between the jugs so it is a little far forward to feel. Besides if it is hot enough for the fan to come on I already have Buell leg from the pipe. | ||
| Warlizard |
Thanx for all the info guys. I never doubted that in SOME cases, a fan MIGHT help. I merely stated that in MY opinion, it isn't needed. Possibly on the tourers as all the front end plastic restricts airflow.You won't find many X1 owners who have them, even cases ( ie olddog ) where they have been removed. They aren't cheap and are quite ugly. MMI mentioned racing, in a racing application, one might need the fan. If we took a poll I bet 90% of X1 ( NOT M2, DJ ) owners will say not needed. Brokeneck, if you read my earlier posts on this thread, I said the same thing you did, change the ECM,intake and exhaust. Keep the (syn) oil clean engine well tuned and maybe run a larger filter and you s/ have no problems. Unless you rev it up at stoplights and race to the next light on a 90 degree day, and if you ride like that a fan isn't going to help much anyway. I wouldn't use it if someone gave me a new one for free. I certainly wouldn't listen to someone who doesn't even have an X1. | ||
| Djkaplan |
Hey James, I don't know why you got a bee up your bonnett about me and my M2, but what ever it was I said that's harshing you're buzz... I'll take it back. Just tell me what it was. You are definitely off my Christmas and Hannuka card list, though. | ||
| Bikerjim99 |
I use an XB fan on my 1999 S3, mounted on the triangle where the factory option fan mounts. It seems to work well when I am stuck in traffic, and it costs very little ( Ebay ) compared to the factory fan. Any airflow over the cylinders has to help some when stuck in traffic. Think going to Chicage in the summer with construction ongoing on the highway. | ||
| Warlizard |
Hey Jim, I live in Chicago, know all about the traffic. DJ- I don't appreciate being called out. You made a post inferring that I was basically clueless. An individual s/ be able to comment on his own personal experiences w/ out someone else questioning them. I ride about 400 miles weekly on an X1 in every imagineable scenario. So when I post what I have experienced while riding, I don't need a non-owner questioning me. I love M2's and most every tuber, but we have different bikes. I wouldn't presume to tell you the in's and out's of the M2, show me the same courtesy. Bottom line, the proof is in the pudding. Look around and see how many guys are using the fan. There are some pretty knowledgeable people here and if the fan was needed, they'd have it. | ||
| Djkaplan |
"You made a post inferring that I was basically clueless." No... you did that on your own. I'm not the only person that disagreed with you and there are a few members here that have installed the fan (which you haven't) or fabricated their own (and found benefit from it) that responded on this thread. I don't believe ownership of an X1 is necassary to point out that you didn't actually know what the fan kit was for, but if you think it does, that's fine by me. I'm not getting into a pissing contest with an irrational hothead (maybe you should get the fan kit!) I can't see or don't know, but you have at it all you want... and if you're ever near the southside in Chicago Heights, check out Mr Benny's. They have a steak to die for and the soft-shelled crabs are the best I've ever had. | ||
| Farrisbueller |
I probably should have given more information. I have a 88" changed to 45mm carb. Aluminum cylinders, porting etc.. I believe that an air cooled motor regaurdless benefits from additonal cooling when slow moving. I guess I was wondering which would be better, forced air moving through an oil cooler or onto the motor. Harley Davidson touts one of the benefits of Syn 3 as better cooling, besides selling add on oil coolers, as does the aftermarket. I don't have a concern at 7Omph on the highway, but at 5mph at 90 degrees I do. Just trying to get the most from my investment, HP, and longevity. Thanks | ||
| Warlizard |
Again you want to take shots at me. The only thing I did was comment on personal experience, which, for this bike, you have none. Rather than flaunt your lack of knowledge, look around and see who has one.If you can add, see how many have the fan and how many don't. Fan kits are generally used for cooling,for those who don't get the obvious. I assumed we all know what a fan does. So we move on to whether or not it is needed. Again, if it was needed, I along w/ many others would have it. I am more into prevention than cures. I would rather address what is making the bike run hot, than to cool it off once it is. Save your comments for things you know about. If someone s/ post on how to make a fool of oneself and annoy others, I'm sure you will have volumes of valuable input. | ||
| Warlizard |
Farris- Oil coolers are of little benefit when not moving as they cool by air flow. The fan may provide a marginal cooling, but you have a weak fan blowing hot air and only on a small area. Also, I am not sure what the AMP draw is for the fan, more draw will cost HP. Run synthetics and keep clean. Check plugs to ensure you are not running lean and adding a qt of oil capacity ( ie. larger filter, billet tank ) should keep temps tolerable. Adding the tank and filter together w/ give you 2 extra quarts. | ||
| Beatx1 |
Holy Crap! Take some Midol. The internet is great stuff! We can puff our chest out and bitch about the other guy being stupid and nobody knows who you are. Take the negativity and shove it! I ride my X1 5-6 hundred a week and in traffic wish I had a fan to push air around the cylinders. I know more than you ..... what crap! | ||
| Djkaplan |
"Again you want to take shots at me." Don't let it ruin your day. I remember Gianatti's Ristorante from a long time ago in Chicago. Now that was good old Italian dining. The maitre de was an old friend of my grandfathers and let us sit in the family section the last time I was there. It took about 3 hours to eat supper, but it makes for a memorable meal. Just when you think it's over, they bring out coffee and pastries. Good times. |
