| Author | Message | ||
     Doum2 |
I have a 99 m2 and I was pulling out of the driveway way rolling to the end with the clutch engaged when it just died. I might be daffy but I could swear I saw the dash blink and come back on and I sat there for a about a minute, hit the starter, it has never even offered to fire. It acts like I don't have spark, I checked the fusees they are all still good. I have checked the oil levels, all good, I have been having carb trouble for the last few months but I cant imagine it just quit passing fuel. Could that even happen? I don't know, I'm lost. Any input would be helpful thanks guys. | ||
| Ratbuell |
First thing to check is clutch switch, and sidestand switch. Make sure you have 12v at the battery. You may have something as simple as a dead battery, or a bad switch. IIRC the bike won't start unless you have the clutch in, and if the clutch switch is bad it may not know the lever is in. Ditto the sidestand switch, it may have a bad switch and think you're trying to ride off with the stand down. Also make sure your battery terminal connections are tight and not overly corroded. From your description, your problem sounds electrical, not fuel-related. Search around the KV too, I'm sure there's lots of tips in there I'm forgetting  | ||
| Firemanjim |
Not sure from your post, but is it turning over and not starting or when you hit button you get nothing? 2 different areas of diagnosis. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
One at a time, unplug each fuse, diode, and relay from the fusebox. Clean the contacts and give each a shot of WD40. From the top, the fusebox will look minty clean but at least in my case, There was a lot of corrosion in there. I've also had a battery die suddenly like that too. These new-fangled batteries don't give any advance warning when they go, they GO. Check battery by hooking up a voltmeter to your battery terminals and try to crank the engine. The voltage shouldn't go lower than 10. | ||
| Tripp |
also try under the tailpiece next to the fuse box, there are your starter and ignition relays and diodes(same size and shape as a fuse but black with a white arrow instead of a number), stick your ear close to there and turn the key on, you should hear a click, if you don't, try switching the relays, and check the terminals on both the relays and diodes for corrosion. note which way the arrows are pointed on the diodes they have to run in that direction. if it's the clutch switch pull the plug at the lever and put a small wire connecting both holes of the plug till you can replace it. if it's the sidestand switch cut the double wire and twist it together. if it's the neutral switch try grounding the wire (runs up behind the front sprocket)to a good ground. i'm very interested to hear how you make out, i've been chasing electrical gremlins on my 99 cyclone for over a year now. sometimes i have to just plain pop start it to get it to go, it's worth every push though! | ||
| Tripp |
or ditto nate, hehe took me a while to write all that. how are you nate? hows the x1? i miss you folks from blackstone hope everything's good! | ||
| Mikej |
There is also the occasional problem of the battery cable breaking at the terminal of the starter and the break hiding inside the insulation. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Start with the clutch and side stand switches, then maybe check the starter relay. (Message edited by reepicheep on July 19, 2007) | ||
| Doum2 |
Hey guys I'm sorry for the delay I was camping with the family for the weekend. Ok I went out this morning I did hear and feel the relays click. Yes, the engine will turn over. The only symptom I can tell you is it won't start. I going to check all the other switches today. Thanks | ||
| Firemanjim |
First pull plugs and see if you have fouled them, then see if they spark when you turn it over. If not check to see if coil has power.After that get out your manual for the rest of the electrical tests on coil,ignition box--oh,and this has happened twice to me--timing cup broke,no spark. | ||
| Mikej |
Some have reported starting/running issues with good looking plugs. Something about not firing under compression but sparked great out of the bike. But first just shove a needle or push pin between the sidestand switch wires shorting them together to see if that "cures" the issue. Easy to do, and easy to fix if it is, and easy to cover up the damage if it isn't. You could unplug the switch and insert a jumper if you don't want to mess with a pointy object. | ||
| Chasespeed |
I've also had a battery die suddenly like that too. These new-fangled batteries don't give any advance warning when they go, they GO. Yeah, leaving X1's stranded in Podunk, MA, trying to find a battery that would work.... Anyway, Do as FMJ said, and go through the ignition.... Engines need 3 things to operate... Fuel, Air, and Spark... NOW, with that said, you are PRETTY SURE, that you saw the dash flash??? Its probably electrical... you probably have a broken wire... or your ground is bad... Chase} | ||
| Phat_j |
u guys that keep tellin him to check the sidestand switch, its not that, the bike wont crank with the sidstand switch bad..... | ||
| Chasespeed |
And the clutch switch only matters when in gear.... Chase | ||
| Doum2 |
Thanks guys I will check the ground and plugs ASAP. I'll get back to you tomorrow. | ||
| Doum2 |
I checked the ground and its good, I pulled the plugs and tested them against the motor while turning it over they are not giving any spark. I am going to try to test the ignition module and coil like the manual has directed. I'll get back to you. Thanks | ||
| Firemanjim |
Be sure to look at that timing cup. | ||
| Billetmetallic |
Doum2 just replace the plugs, neighbors sporty did the same thing, plugs had maybe 250 miles on them and fouled due to wrong jetting in carb | ||
| Buellgekk |
Check if your battery cable screws are tightened well. | ||
| Tripp |
jim, what to look for at timing cup?  | ||
| Firemanjim |
Timing cup is in nose cone on cam cover.You may have rivets holding the cover on or small screws if it was ever off before.Then you will see timing plate,mark where it sits so your timing will be correct on re-install. Under it is the timing cup. All three of mine had outer wheel separate from center.Very obvious,it is cheap and I now carry a spare. | ||
| Tripp |
i happen to be changing the cover out tomorrow, i'm going to have to take a look in there. i've had a problem getting power to the starter, so when i pull on the wires above the starter sometimes i get a neutral light and she starts. there is a deustch(?) connecter and i think it might be connected to the wires that run into the cam cover. |
