| Author | Message | ||
     Fogcity |
Is there a place to look here that will have a diagram of how to make and route a catch can set up for the breather hose? (I know there is but can someone point me to where)? AND, without fueling any past debates, is this catch can idea something really worth doing and does it really make a differance? Thanks | ||
| Wardan123 |
X1 Files at http://www.saintjohn.nbcc.nb.ca/marriott/x1/ | ||
| Seth |
I bought an 11oz. fuel can from a camping supply store for my "catch"(puke) can. I routed the breather hoses from the XB rockerboxes to my homegrown catchcan; works great. | ||
| Djkaplan |
"Is there a place to look here that will have a diagram of how to make and route a catch can set up for the breather hose?" There are a number of ways to do it. Check out the archives... I'd start from the bottom and work your way up. Glean what you can from everyone's set-up and decide how you want to go. http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/384 2/189810.html?1116420688 I love the tomato can catch-can. | ||
| Djkaplan |
"I bought an 11oz. fuel can from a camping supply store for my "catch"(puke) can." I like the creative ways everyone approaches this project, and I applaud everyone that made there own. I love the controversy in the archives of guys arguing over the most mundane aspects of routing lines and constructing breathers. It took three tries before I came up with something that would catch the spooge, and not let an oily mist out, but I think I spent less than $10 total for all three tries (not counting the beers I drank). | ||
| Whodom |
I notice ebay has loads of nifty looking catch cans for $10-$20 lately. Evidently they're a requirement for the Import "tuner" car dudes. Looks like they could easily be adapted for bike use. | ||
| Aesquire |
You get about a 1 HP power boost, with a catch can or filter rig. That's because your engine no longer has to breathe the ( hopefully ) small amount of ring blow by, water vapor, and oil mist. ( Known as "spooge" and other bodily fluid nicknames ) How cost effective that 1 HP is, depends on how much you spend, but it will keep your heads & pistons cleaner & happier, and, if done right, keep spew off your bike & leg. Are you running the original "breadbox" filter setup? I routed the front hose back out of the box using the hole the rear hose had used. I replaced the rear fitting with a Sportster banjo bolt. I routed the hoses up & through the frame, under the tank, to a bottle mounted on the battery holder. Other air filter rigs need slightly different solutions. ( some say that the hoses should not go up, to prevent spew from accumulating & causing issues. This seems to be bike dependent ) You may also consider "gutting" the airbox to increase air flow. There are 2 accepted ways to do that. Check out the knowledge vault. You can see my catch can ( a little ) in my profile pic. It's about 10 inches above the foot peg. When the pic was taken it said Coke. | ||
| Rum_runner |
My question is what do you need to actually build the catch can. Because some you see with filters and some have drain plugs on the i just want to make a simply catch can that will work. | ||
| Oldog |
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show .cgi?tpc=47623&post=768069#POST768069 heres' one .. you can make a variation tools needed drill press, saw, sander tap drill bits maglite & block of aluminum | ||
| Djkaplan |
I made mine for cheap... real cheap. I showed exactly how I did it in this archived thread... http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/384 2/128427.html?1116420688 Scroll down to the middle and it's the silver M2. The installation is even cleaner now that I installed XB rocker covers and PCV valves. You can't see any breather hoses at all. (Message edited by djkaplan on December 08, 2006) | ||
| Whodom |
You can make them pretty cheap, but I think you'd be hard pressed to do it cheaper than you can buy a ready-made one on ebay. These are available by the bucket-load on ebay for ~$16 BIN + $15 shipping:  Multiple colors to choose from. Add a vent filter and you're set. Just go to ebay motors and do a search for "catch can" and you'll come up with hundreds of hits. | ||
| Aesquire |
5 cent deposit on the pop bottle, & I get to drink the pop. Attached with tie wrap, & disposable. The filter is optional, depending on design & your bike. Mine settles the oil mist in the 6 inches of pop bottle, I ran a bit of fluff fiberglass in the neck, but didn't need it. I realize that a Cherry coke bottle looks weird, I use it as a conversation stopper. "What's with the coke bottle?"... "It's a crankcase vent catch can.".... "oh." A small bottle that you like, fits where you want it, and a auto parts filter. drill 2-3 holes in lid, filter in 1 hole hose(es) in other(s), is all you need. I admit, only $16+ for shiny is cheap. A black Jaz in a happy size was $35 retail. | ||
| Rum_runner |
I kinda like that one up above off e-bay. But can some tell me why i'd need a filter for it would the sluge just settle or is the filter so i can breath i'm confused maybe i just think to deep into things. | ||
| Bomber |
the spooge will enter the catch can with the air pumped outa the motor -- while most of it WILL settle into the can, some small amount of the spooge will go out with the air -- filter traps (most of) it | ||
| Jayvee |
I have a small plastic battery overflow catch tank, it has two inlet tubes, and even came with zip ties, from JC Whitney. I think it was $6. As soon as I install it this winter, I'm going to put the aluminum billet EBOC w/K&N that came with my bike on eBay. | ||
| Pammy |
A Rain-X bottle works great. Put the hole for the vent tube in the bottom of the bottle(so the bottle hangs up-side down). Add some small 'vent' holes and shove a bit of steel wool in the bottle. The top has a flip cap so if you are blowing a bit of oil, you just flip the cap and drain it out. you can paint it whatever color you wish. Steve Madden used this on his Buell. (Just so's not to give the illusion that I would be creative or anything such as that...) | ||
| Pammy |
Oh,I recommend running the hoses upward from the crankcase vents. Oil, being heavier than air, would be more likely to drain back that way. | ||
| Kohls62 |
Or could it be that if would have looked a few posts down, I would have seen bunch of info about catch cans. Is that really the answer or just a band aid. | ||
| Tattoodnscrewd |
No - not a band aid ... depending on several things, location, temperature, condition of the bike itself, how the bike is ridden ..etc.. all factor in to whether or not one needs a catch can .. It needs to be vented, and as stated above, the 'puke' (moisture, oil mist, etc) needs to be dealt with... I have one that I bought used - (the American Sport Bike billet can) with a custom mount (by Steve Mackay) .. and when riding hard, or in cold weather - it pukes more. As long as you empty it before it gets more than half full - no puke should be on bike - location of the catch can/breather setup will also have something to do with the puking all over the bike. (Talked about in another thread as well) But - no it's not a band aid - Stock air cleaner setup will still have it- it's just routed right back into the intake track - the idea of the separate breather/catch can is to remove the gunk from re-entering the carb, resulting in a cleaner burn. | ||
| Bad_karma |
Fogcity What I did was use a crankcase breather kit like PN# 2110-0316 www.the-motorworks.com ran the hose between the cylinders down the left side to a jaz catch can PN#605-375-01 mounted between the battery and battery retaining strap. The black catch can hides nicely out of sight and the drain line runs down the back of the tranny and I tie it to the oil drain line. Just my solution. There are many ways to do this. I have thought about plumbing it in to the frame just to clean up the appearance. Not. Joe | ||
| Hughlysses |
Cyclonecharlie turned me on to a good trick for a breather setup. Insert one of these air/oil separators in each of your rocker cover vent lines:  http://www.jpcycles.com/productgroup.aspx?GID=A4B8 D0C4-B789-4116-A7B3-7D9162256256&search=separator& store=All&page=1 They're a little plastic baffle that fits in the hose; they're also available from Harley but I don't have their P/N. As Pammy suggested running the lines upward as they leave the rocker covers helps too. I put this setup on my S3 a few months ago along with a vent filter with two hose connections and so far, I haven't needed a catch can. This shows that the separators keep most of the oil in the engine and hopefully only vapors come out of the filter. Even if you run a catch can, this should reduce the amount of oil that winds up inside. |
