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Duckbuell
Posted on Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 09:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Howdy! My 01 S3 has 2900 miles, and is totally stock. It was running awesome, until today! It ran perfectly during a blistering 400 mile ride in the country. The next day I washed the bike and went for a short 15 mile ride, then suddenly it would not idle, and it is cutting out at anything below 3500 rpms. It did it all the way back home. Perhaps it is fuel starvation?
Any tips are appreciated.
Thank you very much. Patrice


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Ebutch
Posted on Sunday, November 12, 2006 - 12:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Check throtilebody butterfly axel probly broke.New one is improved.
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José_quiñones
Posted on Sunday, November 12, 2006 - 08:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

washed the bike.....

Sounds like something got wet and it didn't like it.

It could be a number of things. Along with what Ebutch mentioned, check the ignition coil, the sparkplug wires/sparkplugs, the battery connections/wires, in fact check all the electrical connectors and sensors, particularly the engine temperature sensor, which is located on the rear cylinder. Sometimes just unplugging and replugging the connectors is all it takes.

It could also be a bigger electrical problem like the stator, which is inside the primary case (the left side of the engine). If you have the service manual you can check the condition of it.

good luck hope you can find it!
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Iamike
Posted on Sunday, November 12, 2006 - 07:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ditto what Jose' says about the plug wires. I was riding in a lot of rain in Colorado a few years back. The bike wasn't running quite right until I saw the black on the plug porcelain.
The moisture had gotten up into the boots and was shorting the spark to ground.
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Duckbuell
Posted on Sunday, November 12, 2006 - 07:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks guys! I will check out all the possibilities! I love the bike!
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Duckbuell
Posted on Sunday, November 12, 2006 - 09:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hi, I checked throttle butterfly, loose connectors on electrical components, sparkplug boots, battery terminals, etc. but no results.
I started the bike, and it runs for about 5 seconds, then starts to sputter and dies. It won't idle, and you can give it throttle to keep it alive, then it dies.
It seems like fuel starvation, or perhaps I got some water in the tank when I washed it?
Perhaps a new fuel filter is needed? Perhaps drain the fuel line?
Or maybe it is something with the ECM?
Arrggg!
Thanks!
Here is some entertainment





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Oldog
Posted on Sunday, November 12, 2006 - 11:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Like Jose said some thing got wet and did not like it.

Sensors:
Malfunctions of these typicaly cause the indicated problem these usualy generate a fault light.

ET mixture varries wildly usualy rich
IAT fault light rich mixture
O2 poor runing typicaly rich
TPS running problems, hard starting
CPS fault light poor or no running.
BAS motor may not run intermittingly
Tank vent fuel starvation
fuel filter fuel starvation

ignition problems:
damaged wires cylinders drop out, can damage the coils as well damage is not always visible.

Caution relieve fuel line pressure before servicing filter on FI bikes.

there is an explanation on how to retrieve trouble codes on the "x1 files" site the s3 and x1 share the same ecm

be methodical and patient good luck.
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Twowheeldream
Posted on Monday, November 13, 2006 - 12:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you think it might be a gas tank vent, try running the bike with the gas cap off or loose. If it doesn't die, then you know its your tank vent.
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Bookyoh
Posted on Monday, November 13, 2006 - 12:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I suggest you rule out something simple like water in the gas since the bike ran great until shortly after you washed it.

Mark
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Blks1l
Posted on Monday, November 13, 2006 - 10:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Patrice, if you need I've got the VDSTS you can do some troubleshooting with. I could bring it to Opals. Let me know. I've had issues with my FI, and am going to pull it off soon. I've got extra sensors you could do some troubleshooting with also.
Dean
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Ebutch
Posted on Monday, November 13, 2006 - 08:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I had same problim. Still say its broken axel in thoutle body. You have to take body off to see broken butter fly axel.It breaks near thoutle sencr which sends false message to computer.New body is made much stonger. Hope this saves you greaf. Butch
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Duckbuell
Posted on Monday, November 13, 2006 - 09:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Dean, I appreciate the offer.
I ran the bike this evening and it still died. Next I siphoned almost all the gas out of the tank. Then it ran great! So I filled the tank with fresh gas and blasted up and down the highway about 10 miles. It is a bit colder out, so the pesky flat spot at 3000 rpm seemed a bit worse, and it stumbled a bit at 2000 RPM.
But it cruised smoothly at 3000 rpm @ 60mph, it idles fine, and it does not die!
Water must have leaked past the gas cap when I washed the bike. I will tighten the small lock-nut on the underside of the gas cap, will that tighten the o-ring seal when I secure the cap?
I am relieved, and hope thats all there was to it!
Thank you all, for your help and suggestions.


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Oldog
Posted on Monday, November 13, 2006 - 09:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Duck the cap nut is shouldered tightening it will only go so far. excessive force will break the cap latch cam. the oring is like mine and just getting flat glad to hear it was water in the gas...
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Duckbuell
Posted on Monday, November 13, 2006 - 11:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jim, thank you, for the advice about my gas cap. I can't believe how many tips and tricks I am learning from all of you. Nice to have so many experienced Buell riders here.
Cheers, Patrice
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Oldog
Posted on Tuesday, November 14, 2006 - 12:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Glad to save you the Grief of broken parts
Ride Safe there Duck
One last thing
I had issues with the cap getting tight and hard to turn, the rubber skirt under the cap in the filler well will drag on the latch and make it hard to turn, I slit it verticaly at the 6:00 and 12:00 positions so that it does not drag on the cap latch in the tank.
..from the porch ...
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Naustin
Posted on Tuesday, November 14, 2006 - 12:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Good to hear it was something simple!

Nick
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