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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2021 - 10:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2 021/09/07/new-study-shows-breakthrough-infection-r isk-not-all-its-cracked-up-to-be-n1476621

I strongly caution that statistics based on bad data is worthless for anything except spin and fear porn.


Statistics based on decent data can also be spun in different ways.
For example...

https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/2019/02/07/motorc ycle-statistics-in-america-demographics-change-for -2018/

Arguably the rise in ridership can be tied to an aging population, a birth date range that is relatively stable, so there is a wave of riders that will trail off as they "age out".

Hence my belief that we are in a Golden Age of motorsports. In a few years we'll look back and be nostalgic. Things were better back then. ( now )

Reports on Pooh's Breath are spun in different ways. Spin can be very misleading, after all, it's Meant To. ( that's why it's spin and not journalism )

The ( pick your Authoritarian jerk group ) spin is you're Doomed if you don't Obey the Decree of the day, and never mind what we said yesterday.

The facts as known is that your odds of getting really sick & dying are low. Very low if you aren't old or fat.

The Antiestablishment spin is All Is Well and the Authoritarians are lying to you.

The facts aren't different.

The Authoritarians Are lying to you. All is Not Well.

Statistics are like a map. The map is not the territory. You don't ride a blue line.

Statistical fatality rates aren't funerals.

Why is it so Hard to understand that Yes, people are dying and that's important. Yes, bad people are exploiting fear and lies. Yes,it's not as bad as some say, & worse than what others say, Yes, the politics are killing people. All are true. ?!
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Ratbuell
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2021 - 11:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You are three TIMES more likely to die from being alive in America, than you are of COVID.

We lose just shy of 3 million Americans a year. Out of 331M...that is 0.9%. Or pretty close (0.9% of 331M is 2.97M).

In other words, "Americans" have a 99.1% survival rate.

COVID patients have a 99.7% survival rate.

Let that sink in for a minute, then tell me what all the fear is about.
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2021 - 11:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Mantra of the day seems to be "we will have to live with Covid".

Duh. For 18 months some $%&#s have been pushing the science fiction brag that they can just make a disease go away by vaccination or masks or only allowing parties for The Elite. You don't wear a shoe on your head!

Bull. It takes many years, a comprehensive vaccination program over an entire planet, and the list of successful eradication is tiny. Like count on one hand.

And smart people live in terror that an outbreak can bring back Polio or Smallpox from some backwards pocket of horrible ignorance like Pakistan to ravage us again. ( they don't let that paralyze them, but they are concerned )

Everything else besides those few tenuous rarities is still with us after millions of years. California shows what happens when you think you are safe. Typhus, Measles, other outbreaks.

We still have Colds in the 21st century, what idiot told you the related CCP-19 was going to vanish like magic?
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2021 - 11:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Let that sink in for a minute, then tell me what all the fear is about.

The death rate for living is 100%. Arguments made with logical fallacies are Bogus.

CCP-Coronavirus-19 kills horribly. Pneumonia, gasping for breath, lung damage, rational fear is appropriate.

I completely agree that there is Fear Mongering. Poor Australia has gone utterly bonkers with the Army enforcing dictatorial shutdowns.

New Zealand just put a ban on scissors because an Islamist terrorist For Allah stabbed people with a knife.

The thing to really fear is the Authoritarian monsters that ban scissors and walking alone outdoors.

Doesn't mean disease is nonexistent. Or nasty.

I don't recommend burning at the stake those who call for Informants to tattle on you if you disobey the Whim of the State. Air pollution! Bad!
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2021 - 11:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://pjmedia.com/columns/stephen-kruiser/2021/0 9/07/pathetic-mask-nazi-prof-whines-about-emotiona l-hellscape-of-unmasked-students-n1476700

Leftist professors. First against the wall after the revolution since 1789.

Emotional Hellscape?

I've been waiting for the Acid Flashbacks they promised me since the 1970s. Looks like soon.
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Ebutch
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2021 - 01:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)





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Ducbsa
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2021 - 05:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I hope this doesn't give any Dem govs ideas.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/09/when-a-west ern-society-goes-insane/#slide-1
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2021 - 12:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/09/abo ut-the-latest-fauci-documents.php

Oh, don't worry, Google will probably handle feeding your location to the Mandatory app.

What's your Social Score?
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2021 - 02:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://amgreatness.com/2021/09/08/gibraltar-vs-hi llsdale-a-modest-covid-comparison/

With the 15 day lockdown to flatten the curve a success, as the hospitals didn't drown in CCP victims in 2020, it's time to analyze the different strategies and their pluses and minuses.

I'd ignore outliers like the Cuomo Massacre. It's obvious now that 10-15000+ dead were deliberate action, not representative of any rational attempt at disease control.

But I'd point out the parallels between the Ft. Lauderdale spring break crowd of 2020 that was tracked as an actual spreader event, and the Texas Fleebaggers D.C. Publicity tour, ditto.

Since it seems cases and or fatalities are higher in 2021 than same time in 2020, it's obvious expectations were incorrect.

And we'd better future this out before the next biological weapons attack ( Or bat selling oops ) sweeps the planet with a 25+% fatality rate instead of a >1% rate.
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Hootowl
Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2021 - 03:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2021 - 03:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Typo! Argument ruined!

Thanks. : )
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Ducbsa
Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2021 - 04:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Don't forget the carnage after the two Sturgis rallies.
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Tpehak
Posted on Friday, September 10, 2021 - 01:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Which variant of the coronavirus is your favorite one?
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, September 10, 2021 - 10:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Omega!
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, September 10, 2021 - 12:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://9gag.com/gag/aXoy6gd

Transition to a normal life will be hard for many.
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Sami
Posted on Friday, September 10, 2021 - 04:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, September 10, 2021 - 07:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Year 2 on that 15 days!

Tpehak,

And my favorite smallpox is hemorrhagic. The math is so easy when the number is 100%.

That's theoretical, mind you, I don't want you to send me any.
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Ebutch
Posted on Saturday, September 11, 2021 - 06:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)





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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2021 - 09:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/v accines-konstantin-kisin

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2021/08/09/white-hous es-most-asinine-vaccine-push-yet-n423636


This "influencer" allegedly hired by the White House? Oh, I'm fine with them/they being flamboyant, I expect a minion to follow a script, and I even get the White House message that they tolerate different people.

Except they don't. And someone hired this useless twit. With my taxes. And thought it was a great way to get people to take the Trump Drug ( that they claimed they wouldn't take last year )

Consider the minion who thought "this is the perfect person to convince rednecks in Georgia" ( the people they tell you are resisters to their scientific concern ) Or the urban black ( the majority of people who don't trust you racist scum to give them a vaccine in the real world )

THAT is the really stupid minion, not the parody of a gay guy.
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2021 - 09:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/theyre-experime nting-us-black-new-yorkers-tell-nyt-why-they-dont- trust-vaccine
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Sami
Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2021 - 02:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

REVEALED: 26 out of the 27 Lancet scientists who trashed theory that Covid leaked from a Chinese lab have links to Wuhan researchers
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9980015/2 6-Lancet-scientists-trashed-theory-Covid-leaked-Ch inese-lab-links-Wuhan.html
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, September 13, 2021 - 09:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://9gag.com/gag/a27e5eO
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Tpehak
Posted on Monday, September 13, 2021 - 11:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Ebutch
Posted on Monday, September 13, 2021 - 12:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



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Chauly
Posted on Monday, September 13, 2021 - 01:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Posit for The Hive Mind:
Daughter is unable to take the vaccine due to a G-B reaction to vaccines. she was scheduled to have a procedure today to get an injection in her spine (Thoracic area). When she arrived, they informed her that they wouldn't do the work since she wasn't vaxxed.
a. Don't you think they should have mentioned it earlier? (annoyance)
b. What are non-vaxxed people supposed to do for health care? Doesn't that put them at a third-world level of care?
c. Next steps?
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Tpehak
Posted on Monday, September 13, 2021 - 02:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Go to another clinic.
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Whisperstealth
Posted on Monday, September 13, 2021 - 07:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you are in a position to do so, consult an attorney.

Time to make these assholes pay financially!!!
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, September 13, 2021 - 08:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/guillain-barre- syndrome-and-covid-vaccine/

I point out that the risk is real, though small.

If it was the "normal" problem people have, which is reaction to the eggs that most old school vaccines are grown in, then the Pfizer & Moderna mRNA vaccines would be perfectly safe.

But, the GBS reaction problem to vaccines is probably or maybe a reaction to any stimulation of the immune system. A vaccination or getting a bug ( flu, colds, Rabies, etc. ) kicks the immune system into high gear. For some people that kicks into a higher gear than is "normal" and starts attacking parts of the nerves. It's a weird marginal auto-immune thing. ( Auto-immune is your body attacking itself, with your system not discriminating well between foreign and domestic... )

As to recommendations?

Lawyer, certainly, but you'll get more sympathy and possibly better results if it's put forward that you want proper health care for your daughter, and only want to get a big payout if it's refused for insane reasons of bureaucratic rigidity.

Also check with your docs, if they recommend the mRNA tech. How people react is very individual. Especially for those prone to G-B reactions.

How old is your daughter? With my limited understanding I'd be cautious if she's under 17. ( This isn't a dirty old pervert question, although I don't claim not to be one, it's the risk vs. age question )
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Chauly
Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2021 - 08:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Chauly
Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2021 - 08:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We actually have an unusual option: Our Congressman is a family friend. We are going to reach out to him (since he's also a lawyer) and see if there is redress of some kind.
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