| Author | Message | ||
     Big_island_rider |
Give me your thoughts.  | ||
| Cupcake_mike |
I'd contact a lawyer to go over your options. You're employer is making a political decision no matter what they want to call it. Your county has less than a 1% positive rate and less than a .02% fatality rate, though likely much less since we all can agree that the "covid reporting" is way out of whack. Hawaii is a right to work state so you can be dismissed for any reason, short of civil rights violations. If your employer pushes this they are opening themselves up for litigation on those grounds (mostly religious justification for getting vaccinated). Guess what, anyone can go to universal life church's website and get ordained, so poof, you have your own religion and are protected just as much as anyone else. If your job is unionized that is also a path you can pursue. Additionally, an employer asking about your vaccination status and requiring proof is a slippery slope for them as it calls into question their confidentiality practices in regards to maintaining your personal medical information. Further probing can call into question ADA practices and that's another rabbit hole companies are unlikely to want to engage. I imagine this is likely nothing more than a scare tactic and short of having every vaccinated person wear some sort of badge to signify their status I doubt there is a lot they can or will do to push the issue. (Message edited by cupcake_mike on May 27, 2021) | ||
| Jaimec |
FFS, when I first went to school my parents had to prove I'd been vaccinated against smallpox and polio. This is no different. Anyone who says different IS making it political and ignoring the science. Science doesn't give a **** what you believe or how you feel. If the US was like it is now back in the 60s we'd STILL be suffering from polio, smallpox and tuberculosis. GET VACCINATED!! | ||
| Rparnel1 |
My company is also considering relaxing the mask and social distance mandate for people that can show proof of vaccination. Without proof, will have to continue wearing mask/distance. I'm going to tell them I identify as vaccinated!! | ||
| Rick_a |
The whole Covid thing is way overblown. It's the most nothingburger virus ever, and yet we're acting like it's the damn plague. From everything I've come across, the vaccine only reduces the symptoms if you get it again and the idea is that it will thusly reduce the spread. Not even the CDC can definitively say what benefits or side effects are evident. I'll continue with my philosophy of if it isn't killing me, I'll just deal with it. | ||
| Aesquire |
As a former skydiver I may have different attitudes.  There is a t-shirt... "I identify as vaccinated", & I have to get one to go with my "nuke the unborn baby whales" shirt as trigger wear. I've got a Latin Motto shirt, "There is no problem that can't be solved by the application of a suitable amount of high explosives"... That I was unwise to wear to work. ( at Federal terror target #1 ) Oh, I do love to trigger snowflakes! But I'm also not utterly insensitive to workplace concerns. Plus for 27 years it was literally illegal for me to make certain jokes about my fellow workers. ( I often told people to go ahead and tell cliche jokes about my job, I think they're funny ) Vaccination is a choice. Pooh's Breath ISN'T a deadly childhood disease like Whooping Cough or Measles. I'll point out that measles has a death rate among rich healthy N. Americans of "only" 0.2%, and among poor malnourished everywhere up to 10%, making it FAR nastier than Pooh's Breath, and especially upsetting as it kills mostly the very young, under 5 years old, and few, ( but not zero ) adults. So while I'm concerned about rights, if you choose not to vaccinate your kids against the kiddie killers, I understand the choice to keep them out of public schools unless they are. Choices have consequences. No absolute safety exists in the real world. Personally I would not vaccinate a healthy 12 year old in my care, against Covid, until I had better info. ( the new minimum age ) I made my choice based on risk factors and necessarily with incomplete information, and having to make calls on the propaganda vs. real hype. And... Of course being vaccinated doesn't kill the vaccinated against disease with laser drones. It means when you are exposed, your immune system is primed to take it out, which is WHY many people got fevers with the second shot, they're reacting to the bug as desired. I'd expect a slight fever and mild blahs if exposed, ( might have fought it off last week, actually ) less than 10% of vaccinated should get sick enough to call a doctor in pre-coronapanic days. As to work... Good luck. I anticipate that Covid will become politically invisible if the current occupation regime chooses to declare themselves Heroes of The State because they single handedly defeated Covid-19. Or the next plague out of the Wuhan lab starts being really obvious. I could be wrong! They might milk this for years. You'd think that would cause credibility slip, but half the people are below average... | ||
| Tootal |
Where I work they have declared that if you've been vaccinated you no longer have to wear a mask at work, it's your choice. Now if you haven't been vaccinated then a mask is required for now. We have one guy who won't get vaccinated and that's fine, his choice. He continues to wear a mask and has no problem with that. Now do I believe the mask is the answer, science says no. The cloth mask do very little if anything. I've been around those with Covid and been exposed yet I never got it. It does not affect everybody. Hopefully I'm one of the lucky ones, who knows. I can't tell you what to do here, just what I've experienced. | ||
| Hootowl |
We're still wearing masks. We can stop on June 7th, as long as we're vaccinated or have already had it. Honor system. | ||
| Sami |
"Give me your thoughts." My body, my choice. Granted, it is a feminist slogan, but what's good for the goose is good for the gander. | ||
| Sami |
Jaime, Obesity, not Covid, is the major health problem. CDC study finds about 78% of people hospitalized for Covid were overweight or obese https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/covid-cdc-study-fi nds-roughly-78percent-of-people-hospitalized-were- overweight-or-obese.html CDC study finds 78% of people hospitalized for COVID were overweight, obese https://www.foxnews.com/health/cdc-study-majority- hospitalizations-covid-overweight-obese The answer is not vaccination, the answer is weight loss. | ||
| Sami |
Why Employee COVID Vaccination Mandates May Not Be Legal https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/ne ws/20210409/why-employee-covid-vaccination-mandate s-may-not-be-legal Experimental COVID Shots Cannot Be Mandated https://www.thedesertreview.com/health/experimenta l-covid-shots-cannot-be-mandated/article_89b901ae- 8126-11eb-a78d-07c0c7e926df.html | ||
| H0gwash |
I'm guessing that you work for a private company. For them it is more a financial liability issue than a political one. My understanding is the business owner can legally enforce employment status conditional on issues that can impact other employees' health. If they enforce their policy uniformly, it may be hard to prove it is political discrimination. | ||
| Whisperstealth |
Big_Island, My thoughts are that your employer is very wrong in putting pressure on you to get vaccinated. Criminally wrong in my opinion. As to what you should do, I have no advice. I would be planning my exit from both the employer and the state. I lived on the Big Island of Hawaii for a while. Wasn't suited to the political climate of the state as a whole, amongst other reasons, so I left. Best of luck to you! Jamiec, FFS Indeed. Sorry you feel that way. You are very free to believe what you want. But you are not free to force your belief on me, and that's what I see you wanting to do. (Message edited by Whisperstealth on May 27, 2021) (Message edited by Whisperstealth on May 27, 2021) | ||
| H0gwash |
I suppose you could request a "virtual position" within the company because you fear your blood will clot up because of the unknown clinical pharmacology. (Message edited by h0gwash on May 27, 2021) | ||
| Zane |
Big Island, With the HIPPA laws as strong as they are, how would your company find out one way or the other? | ||
| Tpehak |
Just ignore it. Choice not to be vaccinated can not affect vaccinated team members. It can affect not vaccinated team members only, but they accept it just like you and your agreement not to be vaccinated with your non vaccinated team members is not your employer business. Next time your employer will tell you not to ride your motorcycle because of motorcycle is too dangerous and will affect your team members and your family in case if you will have accident on your motorcycle. (Message edited by TPEHAK on May 27, 2021) | ||
| Buelltours |
I am an employer in a NC manufacturing company. We pay a bonus plus a vacation day to anyone who gets vaccinated. The ones who don't want to, have to keep wearing their masks and socially distant while at work which they do. So far no one has quit. The vaccination rate is over the state average at our company... I'd have to anticipate Workers Comp claims if we allowed otherwise. | ||
| Tpehak |
Would you pay me a bonus and give me an extra vacation day if I get vaccinated against coronavirus but not against flu? (Message edited by TPEHAK on May 28, 2021) | ||
| Aesquire |
Nope! You're not funny enough, and I'm cheap. I think for most adults, who don't have medical issues to contraindicate it, should get vaccinated for darn near everything. With the CCP and the Slavery Party policy of inviting disease ridden future servants and current illegal voters in without the centuries of traditional screening for infectious disease, that now includes Typhus, the Black Death ( coming soon to the homeless camp next to the grade school ) and whatever Twitter won't let you post about. But if you want drug resistant pneumonia and those trendy running sores, I also support your foolish desire to not be vaccinated. I'll mock you at your funeral, but you do you. But unproven experimental drugs ( which so far seem better than I expected ) released into the wild under Emergency rules before full trials, I understand being hesitant. If you're not in a high risk or in close contact with high risk people. If you're fit, in your teens to thirties, and a hermit, I don't care if you wait it out & see if folk like me suddenly become allergic to our own saliva, or other possibilities. Happy to test the waters for ya! Ditto, if you don't get your kids vaccinated against the common and near forgotten baby casket diseases, between not wanting your children near others, and being bluntly truthful about my estimates of your IQ or how easily fooled you must be, you are stupidly easily fooled... I'd have to think hard about giving a prepubescent kid an experimental mRNA vaccine. The Work vaccine rules thing is highly problematic. If you can lose your job because of the Whim of Cuomo or Newsom, or Biden*, or Trump, over vaccination status, then you can get fired for being an Asian-white-supremicist, or not having a BLM bumper sticker. You can already be fired for twits questioning the election, since many companies have a Social Media rule that you should not upset the Professionally Offended. | ||
| S2t_bama |
I work in a cancer center. My wife works in a childrens' hospital. We are required to take the flu vaccine every year, unless we are allergic or have a religious exemption. Proof of vaccination is required every year. Those who are allergic/exempt are required to wear a mask throughout flu season. I think if this was a civil rights issue, it would have been successfully challenged by now. It's not much of a stretch to compare with the Covid-19 vaccine. I don't think it can be called experimental anymore. | ||
| Cupcake_mike |
" I don't think it can be called experimental anymore." Except that's exactly what the FDA calls all of them, experimental. | ||
| Sami |
Mike and Patrick are right, mRNA vaccines are experimental. These vaccines have been authorised for emergency use by the FDA, but that doesn't make them any less experimental. | ||
| Aesquire |
Yep, and I was Grateful for the President that signed the Emergency suspension of complete testing to speed it to the public, 2-5 YEARS sooner than normal SOP. In fact, mRNA therapies are bleeding edge experimental technology, like Quantum Computers and other new products that companies typically pay millions to develop, and often never make it to market, or only become practical decades after the First press release. I was a very early adopter of 3DFX video cards! ( NVIDIA bought them since they couldn't compete, to get the technology ) I built flying machines based in part on Gemini re-entry & landing technology experiments by NASA. A dedicated acolyte of Saint Francis Rogallo. I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express in Jan 2020 as the Wuhan Flu was being deliberately released on the planet. To be fair I stayed at a Southern Inn the same trip, so, obviously not infallible! Naturally, I jumped at the chance to be mutated into a spiky green Abomination, and be safe from a disease that a year & a half later has the smoke from burning bodies blot out the sun in India just as a year ago the same was true in China, as murderous thugs of the Xi regime welded apartment building doors shut to isolate critics. Thanks to Trump, dedicated employees at Big Pharma, and despite Democrat Governors and Mayors, the U.S. is well over the danger of collapsing our hospitals, at least until the massive wave of Democrat invited, infected, untested, illegal aliens spreads it among the Democrat sponsored homeless camps and cheap rich who hire illegals as house servants to avoid paying legal wages to the peasant class. ( which could, technically, be either Party... It's not always political ) I was under no illusions that the Umbrella Corporation experimental gene altering drug was perfectly safe, proven technology, with zero risk... I was also aware that by not using chicken eggs to grow viruses for the vaccine, and the total lack of possible live virus getting into the vaccine if the radiation wasn't enough to kill 100% of them, ( no manufacturing process is perfect ) that world wide, literally millions would Not Die from the usual, and accepted reasons when getting vaccinated! But I'm also aware that the New Side Effects were unknown, & the Speculated possible worst case scenario rivals the plot of "I Am Legend". And we won't know, for perhaps years, or decades, if we have a miracle or apocalypse. OTOH, the Next hotly denied plague unleashed by the most murderous @#%&$ on the planet, might have a 99% death rate, instead of survival rate. | ||
| Aesquire |
Then, there are the legal & rights issues, separate from the technology! It's established precedent that civil rights may be temporarily suspended in an epidemic. It's also established in History that evil men will cling to their emergency powers fiercely, and sometimes slaughter their critics to keep control. Like the French Revolution and Xi in China, today. Wish us all luck. Some evil men ( and women, I use the word men inclusively ) will resist giving up Unconstitutional Power. More Will Die because of That. Guaranteed. I would MUCH rather that news is from some far distant failed State & not here. That's uncertain at this time. (Message edited by Aesquire on May 29, 2021) | ||
| Gregtonn |
...mRNA therapies are bleeding edge experimental technology... Which begs the question...Can they trigger unwanted autoimmune responses? At this point no one knows if the "cure" is worse than the disease. G | ||
| Ourdee |
If your mask is broke, go get a good one because I am not putting one on for you. I am not taking experimental drugs for you either. You do you and I will do me. If anywho has a problem with that,  For clarity, it is the Wuhan Virus. | ||
| Aesquire |
I thought you were advertising for Angry Birds. If you're not old, diabetic, fat, have heart disease, or live in a Blue State, you're pretty safe, as far as odds on dying go. So go ride your bike of the apocalypse & enjoy. | ||
| Needs_o2 |
This can't be compared to traditional vaccines, simply because it's not the same at all, and there is no history that proves it won't be worse than the disease. I WON'T BE A LAB RAT! From the Wuhan thread. https://www.deconstructingconventional.com/post/18 -reason-i-won-t-be-getting-a-covid-vaccine | ||
| Aesquire |
31.5 million vaccinated a day. If there's ever been a better setup for a zombie apocalypse movie... | ||
| Needs_o2 |
https://www.breitbart.com/health/2021/05/31/charle s-hurt-trust-the-science-creepy-government-zombies -bribe-citizens-to-take-experimental-vaccine/ |
