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     Hootowl |
What say you? Eligible or not? https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/08/w hy_it_should_matter_that_kamala_harris_is_not_a_na tural_born_citizen.html | ||
| Ratbuell |
From the above: }Alexander Hamilton expressed his concerns: Nothing was more to be desired than that every practicable obstacle should be opposed to cabal, intrigue, and corruption. These most deadly adversaries of republican government might naturally have been expected to make their approaches from more than one quarter, but chiefly from the desire in foreign powers to gain an improper ascendant in our councils. How could they better gratify this, than by raising a creature of their own to the chief magistracy of the Union?\black Emphasis from article. Sorta sounds like having Rashida Tlaib, or Ilhan Omar, elected to office in the United States. Kinda invites the enemy into the parlor. | ||
| Aesquire |
Born here, anchor baby. Natural born. I think it's not a valid criticism. A trap... But I could be wrong. Plenty of other reasons to not vote for them. | ||
| Hootowl |
The thrust of the article’s argument is that the law says in order to be a natural born citizen, both of your parents must be citizens. It matters not where you were born, even if you were born in America. This is an intentional safeguard against foreign powers infiltrating the nation’s highest office. | ||
| Ratbuell |
Exactly. It's the Naturalization Act. "Born to American Citizens", not "born within the borders of America". Difference. And as such, she is not Constitutionally eligible. Period. | ||
| Whisperstealth |
At the very least her being eligible or not is a valid concern, and needs to be more than just talked about. It needs to be answered by the high court. By the letter of the law, she is ineligible in my opinion. I'm sure a slew of legal "scholars" would disagree. In any case I hope it goes to the Supreme Court. Thinks it's crazy now? It's gonna get REALLY WILD come November. Stock up. | ||
| Aesquire |
Although I did download the pdf of the 1790 law to my phone, I haven't gone through it yet. But the article is very one sided. It doesn't actually say that being born here does not alone qualify you by the 1790 law, just implies it. Ditto it fails to cover that aspect in the 1798 revised laws, etc. So, I know, from this and other readings that the child of 2 U.S. Citizens is a Citizen, automatically. That was true with John McCain, remember? What I don't know, ( and please tell us ) is when & how ( by legislation or court decree ) it became law that you are a citizen if born here to foreign parents... aka Anchor Babies. In any case, unless you or the Republicans or Bernie Bros want to take Harris to court to fight her eligibility, I'm going to assume it's a trap for people & pundits. Insert Admiral Ackbar Meme here. I might be trying too hard not to be perceived as a jerk. ( maybe harder than I try not to be one ) But I really am considering the Biden Harris ticket as a giant scam that is supposed to discredit/destroy anyone who speaks ill of the handicapped elder and the conscienceless ( minority woman! ) hypocrite. After all they Announced they would destroy, boycott, cancel, and implied burn alive in your house with your family anyone who criticizes the Holy Chosen Ones. So you'd better be solid as heck with your accusations, when you are dealing with these Leftists, who really really would prefer you dead than in their way. And their Media puppets will jump in. And it's a really good bet that IF they lose, they will burn everything down. Otherwise, 4 more years of Donald, without any care in the world about re-election, thus full bore reformer, will delay their conquest for years. And these old Lefty monsters aren't getting any younger. | ||
| Ducbsa |
you'd better be solid as heck with your accusations, when you are dealing with these Leftists, who really really would prefer you dead than in their way. And their Media puppets will jump in. Agreed! I thought with McCain, that he was eligible because he was born in the Canal Zone, a US territory at the time, in addition to having both parents being citizens. | ||
| Ebutch |
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| Aesquire |
Yeah, true, but/and the territory part wasn't in the 1790 law, since the new U.S. didn't have any. Law is based on precedent. "We've always done it that way". Then some glaring omission is noticed or New idea comes along, and a court decides different. That gets appealed, etc. Tough cases make bad laws? https://legalcontemplations.blogspot.com/2012/05/t ough-cases-make-bad-law.html So the First laws on citizenship aren't the final answer here. We might not like some 1934 law ( like the NFA ) But it is real & you can go to prison, until it gets changed. ( like the NFA was modified in 1968 ) Not always for the better. I grew up reading the Joseph Wambaugh police novels ( author was a cop himself when he started writing ) and among the true life, "gritty" details of LA life was how cops hated the park bathroom detail which was mostly busting gay men trying to get laid. That's law that is either ignored, changed, or reversed, for good or ill, depending on your viewpoint & attitude. HEck, it may be mandatory in Seattle or LA today.  See also laws on returning escaped slaves. So the eligibility of Harris is quite possibly nothing like is stated in some editorial. And you might disagree with the law as currently enforced... Or routinely violated and ignored. | ||
| Hootowl |
Pat, there is a difference between a citizen and a natural born citizen. Where you were born might make you a citizen, whom you were born to determines whether you are a natural born citizen. Her parents were not both citizens, ergo, she is not a natural born citizen. | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/08/tra nslate-this-2.php Ok, thanks Hoot. But is that current law? I'm not disagreeing! I'm watching for Cancel Traps. Please understand, I don't want the lady in power. I just want her publicly destroyed in a manner they can't call racist. They will anyway. I want their lies to be unjustified and provably so. | ||
| Ratbuell |
The Naturalization Act is in full effect. 1790: And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens: Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States And revised, 1795: and the children of citizens of the United States, born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, shall be considered as citizens of the United States: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons, whose fathers have never been resident of the United States So, in black and white - if your parents aren't Citizens...you aren't a Naturalized Citizen. You may be a "Citizen" due to immigration...but that is not Naturalized. | ||
| Sami |
According to Joe Biden, America is an idea. So it doesn't matter to him when and where you're born, as long as you believe in his "idea" of America you can become (vice) president. Joe Biden For President: America Is An Idea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbOU2fTg6cI I don't believe that America is merely an idea. America is more than an idea, America is a country of people. Ideas exist in the realm of abstractions, whereas a country and a people are concrete. I can point to a country and a people, whereas I cannot point to an idea in the same way. My message to Americans is this: You are more than just an idea, you are a people and a country. You are the American people, a country with history and with borders. Don't let anyone take that away from you for political gains. So ask yourself this: Are you a people, or an idea? People make ideas, ideas don't make people. | ||
| Zacks |
well... closing time and bad ideas do make people... Just trying to lighten it up. | ||
| Sami |
Ideas are like clothes; They don't make you, they shape you. | ||
| Ducbsa |
https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/08/underwhelmin g-kamala-harris-virtual-cheering-section-included- duplicates/ | ||
| Pwnzor |
That's so awesome | ||
| Sami |
America Isn’t an Idea https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/a merica-isnt-an-idea/ What is America? A country, an idea or both? https://www.redstate.com/diary/imperfectamerica/20 10/11/22/what-is-america-a-country-an-idea-or-both / | ||
| Ducbsa |
2A enthusiast or enthusiastic infringer? https://reason.com/2020/08/26/kamala-harris-on-the -second-amendment/ | ||
| Ratbuell |
The problem with the "collective rights" interpretation (versus the "individual rights") is that EVERY other Amendment in the Bill of Rights, refers to individual rights. Every. One. A well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed. That does not say "the right of the Militia to keep and bear arms"...that says "the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms." People make up the militia. Therefore, PEOPLE have the right to bear arms. I know...preaching to the choir here, but still... | ||
| Ebutch |
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| 86129squids |
Riddle me this, Batman: As I click on this thread to sample a rare posting from Court, I'm treated to yet another Ebeeatch manufactured mental turd. | ||
| Whisperstealth |
I saw Court's post... | ||
| Ratbuell |
Court likes to post, then delete. The topics page has a lag, and still shows him as the last poster. I think he's bored, and posts ".", waits eight seconds, then deletes the post just to mess with us.  | ||
| 1313 |
You can always sign up for Email's on the certain boards. It allowed me to go back and see what he posted originally. I saw it and forgot it because it was "Meh..." Sometimes good stuff is missed, however... | ||
| Patches |
MOUNT TOUCHMORE Grab them by the Pussy Donald Trump - YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwWux5BAczk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_Access_ Hollywood_tape | ||
| Blake |
The "Trump said..." crowd never cease to amaze. These are the same people who excused Clinton and opposed his impeachment, cause "it didn't have anything to do with his job performance." Trump has done more to revitalize and rebuild and elevate America, to promote justice and reform justice in America than any president in memory. So now the Democrats are all about burning it all down. Literally even. They won't dare even denounce Antifa. But 30 years ago "Trump said..." Freaking Amazing. | ||
| Blake |
And their idea of a good leader is a guy who is owned by China, nothing but a shill for the anti-American globalist filth; who can't remember where he is, who he's talking to, or what office he's even running for. Creepy Sleepy Dimentia Joe can't keep his false teeth in his mouth, and he's their man. Amazing. It must be divine providence. Romans 1:28-32 |
