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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, August 07, 2020 - 03:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

For open carry, Retention is vital.

It's important concealed, too, that your gat doesn't bounce on the ground as you get out of the car, or you trip over a pebble, etc.

But for open carry, you need to prevent snatching. There's a non trivial number of people shot with their own guns, and it's not that hard to learn the "secret handshake".

After all, snub revolver guys who pocket carry learn to put the thumb over the hammer to facilitate a smooth draw, ( depending on gun & pockets... there's a reason hammerless is popular ) so learning to push the button to draw is not really a speed loss, and not hard to program.

Unfortunately, They don't go for open carry in NY , and so I don't have a good recommendation for you.
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Ducbsa
Posted on Friday, August 07, 2020 - 05:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Regarding that bill, look at the co-sponsors, that tells me all I need to know:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house -bill/5717/cosponsors?searchResultViewType=expande d

No reading of the text needed.
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Ducbsa
Posted on Friday, August 07, 2020 - 05:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

More NY politician treachery!

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/08/is_ne w_yorks_ag_going_to_be_the_biggest_nra_fundraiser_ ever.html
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Ourdee
Posted on Friday, August 07, 2020 - 10:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

But for open carry, you need to prevent snatching.

I agree with the premise, but disagree that it has to be a physical attribute of the holster. More to the point, a mindset based on situational awareness and wisdom is required to maintain possession of your firearm.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Friday, August 07, 2020 - 10:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Agreed.

I carry IWB and have developed the habit of putting my body between anyone and my holster, and when people are close I keep that arm low with my elbow against the grip of my gun.
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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, August 07, 2020 - 01:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, August 07, 2020 - 02:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

As I said, zero open carry experience but police have serious issues with gun control, and while civilians are not as likely to wrestle with a drug crazed monster... some lunatic in a crowd might notice you are distracted and go for it.

At a minimum you want to prevent accidental discharge & loss, so trigger covered. Kydex isn't pretty, but it works.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Friday, August 07, 2020 - 02:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I love my hybrid - thin stainless backing covered in neoprene (wetsuit stuff) against my hip, with a kydex outer shell against my belt (IWB). I also have one that I use when cycling, same kydex but with a leather backer instead of the stainless/neoprene. Softer backing for range of motion, but squeaks a bit with motion so I try not to wear it much working or when I want to be "covert" about it...
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Rick_a
Posted on Saturday, August 08, 2020 - 06:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My ex is keeping my sons Ruger MKIV for no purpose but that she can...so I'm buying him another .22. She so has a bunch of his ammo and a vintage pancake holster for a 4" K frame that she refuses to return as well.

Anyway, I was thinking a MKIII 22/45 or a Browning Buckmark Micro.



The Browning requires fiddling with screws to field strip. The Ruger requires fiddling with a hammer strut to do the same. They're both nice.

I can get either one as new old stock for about $300.
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Court
Posted on Saturday, August 08, 2020 - 09:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Any opinions on the old Browning Challenger II? Friend just got a new Smith & Wesson Victory that is fun to shoot.
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Thumper74
Posted on Saturday, August 08, 2020 - 10:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I told my MkIII target because of the damn strut. The newer ones have a single button take down. I have a .22 suppressor and no host currently. As soon as things get back to normalish, ill be grabbing a new Ruger Mk4 with the 1911 style grip, single button take down and threaded barrel
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, August 08, 2020 - 11:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.hammerstrutsupport.com/

A buddy told me you just have to hold it upside down & sorta sideways and it all falls together perfectly. Plus a rabbit's foot, incense, a dispensation from Pope Urban and the right barometric pressure.
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Tootal
Posted on Saturday, August 08, 2020 - 12:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

And hold your tongue right! I've got the Mark I 5" bull barrel target. It takes a little practice for sure, but it shoots so well I'd never sell it!
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Ourdee
Posted on Saturday, August 08, 2020 - 02:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I like my buckmark. Got rid of the three different Ruger-marks. I keep thinking about putting together a legal package for a can on the buckmark.
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Rick_a
Posted on Saturday, August 08, 2020 - 03:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I ordered the MKIII. I have a MarkII that I can reassemble just fine. For the kid's I have a Speed Strip kit that will simplify things some.
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Rick_a
Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 06:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

While I was at it I got a hammer bushing that gets rid of the magazine safety (otherwise magazines don't drop free), a Volquartsen target sear, and a filler piece for the loaded chamber indicator from Tandemkross. I'm also going to set the trigger up with over travel and pre travel adjustments. In hindsight I could've just got another MKIV, which needs nothing and would've cost the same. That said, only the Tactical and Lite models come in a 4" barrel. The alloy receiver Lite models are a challenge to clean as one needs to be careful not to damage the anodizing, and the Tactical models are kinda silly with rails all over. They're both more expensive as well. The MKIV's are also sold out nationwide at this time. I like the 4" bull barrels due to the balance and that they mimic the sight radius of a full size centerfire pistol.

I wanted a fancy extractor, as well...but they were sold out. I'll try to make one out of a spare one I've got.
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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, August 11, 2020 - 06:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.city-journal.org/letitia-james-proposa l-to-dissolve-nra
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, August 12, 2020 - 06:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendment/2020/08/12 /lightfoot/

Only Joe can cancel everyone's rights!

High praise indeed.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Wednesday, August 12, 2020 - 08:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm a Ruger guy, so...

Good choice.
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Rick_a
Posted on Thursday, August 13, 2020 - 04:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The kid made the final decision. I respect his choice.

I should receive it sometime tomorrow...then get to spend half a day modding it out. I am less and less inclined to modify perfectly serviceable firearms these days...but this one has some minor annoyances out of the box.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Thursday, August 13, 2020 - 05:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The guy with the AK-47 speed loader should have spent his money on better ammo.
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Rick_a
Posted on Friday, August 14, 2020 - 03:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My kid's Ruger came in. It is reliable and accurate, though I had to adjust the sights a bit out of the box. I guess that's why them screws are there.

The elevation was just a click off. The windage was visibly misaligned.

I'm not used to the trigger in one being so bad. Had to be around 6.5lbs. The magazines also don't drop free. Simple fix.
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Rick_a
Posted on Saturday, August 15, 2020 - 01:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It does alright.
IMG_20200815_112141 by Slick_Rick77, on Flickr
20200814_155341 by Slick_Rick77, on Flickr
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, August 16, 2020 - 09:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/ninth-circuit- strikes-down-californias-ban-high-capacity-magazin es
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Rick_a
Posted on Sunday, August 16, 2020 - 01:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Magazine bans never made any sense. More of those "because we can" measures.

Hopefully that spreads and we see Constitutionality make a comeback.
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Ducbsa
Posted on Tuesday, August 18, 2020 - 07:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.recoilweb.com/why-is-the-ammo-gone-162 059.html
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Ratbuell
Posted on Tuesday, August 18, 2020 - 08:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah, 8 million new customers (new gun owners)...decreased raw material supplies due to virus mitigation causing production decreases...decreased staffing at production plants (in ANY industry right now)...hoarding...riots...fear...election...upcomi ng holidays....yeah.

We're gonna be short on ammo for a long time.
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Oldog
Posted on Tuesday, August 18, 2020 - 11:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We're gonna be short on ammo for a long time.

Joe take up re-loading
I "roll my own" and its enjoyable and interesting.
a Dillon reloader ( progressive ) the 650,
(newish) or a new 700 series machine
( I have a 650 )
I build .45acp at about 600 per hour, a little slower for 9 mm.
.223 is slow 200 per hour all on the 650.

its good for practice and plinking.

If your interested look at Dillon Precision's site,
for rifle and small batch precision Hornady or RCBS single stage tools, }

RE-loading can give you some savings per box, 45 acp is about 30$ for reasonable quality ( not steel cased junk )

I load it with plated 230 grain ball for about 11~12$ a box ( I have the brass )
Plus I can build and taylor my ammo to my desires. My 45 practice ammo is 830 FPS with a 230 grain ball,
The self defense Ammo in 45 will likely be leah self defense solid copper projectiles 200 ish Grain pushing 900+ FPS ( depending on how the gun works with it )
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Ourdee
Posted on Tuesday, August 18, 2020 - 01:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Primers have been harder to find.
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Oldog
Posted on Wednesday, August 19, 2020 - 11:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Primers have been harder to find.
No Doubt, Powder got hard to find especially
types for hand gun / shot shell

The local shops seemed to have primers
but the powder shortage did not end till
Trump's election, coincidence probably not..

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