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     Aesquire |
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/08/bad_m edicine_on_hcq_faucis_waterloo.html My automatic reaction to hero worship from the Leftists is skepticism. I don't have a well informed opinion on Dr. Doom but if the same folk wear Fauci's face on their shirts that wear Che's, that's a sign. Women in facespace ( instatwit? What-ever... ) who "want to bear his baby" appear to luv the Governor of New York and Dr. Fauci, and the guy who played a sparkly vampire in that adolescent masochist girl book/movie series I never read ( past chapter 4, before I quit... I read fast ) or watched. That doesn't MEAN those guys are evil. At least the actor isn't necessarily evil, just as any actor playing a villain isn't. ( sure, the Cuomo brothers are, but not because silly girls swoon ) We'll see how he does with Batman.  | ||
| Aesquire |
Ratbuell, re: NYC checkpoints. If they'd closed the City in early spring, then it would have saved lives, but back then Herr Mayor und der Fuhrer Cuomo were busy promoting mass tourist events and accusing the Bad Orange Man of paranoid delusions and racism for reducing travel from Communist China. Today, they're just delaying things, most important to them, the economic recovery from their actions. I'm not saying closing NYC is a good idea. By the time China admitted they had a real problem, travellers had already brought Pooh's Breath to Manhattan. We'll ( the country ) be arguing how stupid/smart the lockdowns and ordered business closures were, are, and yet to be, for months if not years. I anticipate a wave of lawsuits later this year and next. Hoot, re: masks. What is your issue with them? Rebellion against dictatorial orders from our Masters? ( agree ) That the nice brocade mask my talented sister sewed up won't stop a virus? ( agree ) That they are a form of obedience training? ( agree! Hence my 'tude on camo ) That ( fill in the blank ) now demands masks where he/she/it said they were useless months ago? ( ditto ) Both curious, and don't want to argue the wrong points.  | ||
| Hootowl |
My issue with them is that a non n95 mask does not filter particles as small as a virus. We’re first told not to wear masks because unless they’re n95 they’re useless, and we need to save the n95s for health workers. Now we’re being told that the once useless masks are the key to humanity’s survival. What the masks do effectively is keep the virus that’s going around front and center in everyone’s mind. I suppose that might be a good thing, but it is also unnecessarily propagating fear of a virus that is not likely to kill you. Yeah, I’m wearing the ••••••• masks, but I have no expectation that I’m being protected. I just don’t want to get hassled. | ||
| Hootowl |
And they are still reporting this kid’s death as covid. Even fox. https://www.foxnews.com/us/georgias-youngest-covid -19-death-is-7-year-old-boy-with-no-underlying-con ditions Kid had a seizure and fell in the shower. They didn’t know he was positive until after he died. Complete bullshit. | ||
| Aesquire |
I just don’t want to get hassled. Ok, no argument with any of that. And the hassle part, for me is less fear of social pressure & more just trying to look harmless in case I need to defend myself & the desire to not give the poor sods working in stores ( retail work sucks at that level. ) reason to be less happy than they are. | ||
| Aesquire |
https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/08/04/how-bad- is-covid-really-a-swedish-doctors-perspective/ | ||
| Ratbuell |
I am willing to bet that the countries that have shut down completely will see rates spike when they open up. If that is the case, then there won’t have been any point in shutting down in the first place, because all those countries are going to end up with the same number of dead at the end of the day anyway. That sounds....so....familiar. People are forgetting - "flatten the curve" was simply to SLOW the infections...not STOP it. I am not denying that covid is awful for the people who do get really sick or for the families of the people who die, just as it is awful for the families of people who die of cancer, or influenza, or an opioid overdose. But the size of the response in most of the world (not including Sweden) has been totally disproportionate to the size of the threat. Also very...familiar. Sure, it's a bad thing...but NOT worth shutting down Western Civilization over. Can we just tear the band-aid off already, and get this over with? | ||
| Aesquire |
Not until After the Election. Never let a crisis go to waste. But don't let the "it's no worse than the Black Death" spin fool you. This Chinese Plague has trashed the lives of a LOT of people, even if you ignore the GovernYou overreach. Take New York City, for example. Compare to Italy. Socialism and Communism and the EU, ( redundant I know ) plus the poor relative economy gave them a marginal for Western Europe medical system. Then many thousands of Chinese workers returned from New Year's vacation with Covid-19. Their system DID crash. Under Cuomo and Bloomberg, before Covid-19 hit this New Year, they'd trashed the hospital system, to be fair, that decline started long before they took power, see also Obamacare, and before that, my Nurse friend periodically went to NYC to scab at high pay when they had strikes because the local/state rulers screwed them. I'd still rate NYC hospitals as better than Italy, and Rochester has a Major teaching hospital, the biggest single employer! I rate it better than most of the country. ( lucky for me ) The Big Apple didn't crash. It had serious problems, but emergency facilities didn't fill to overflow, they didn't have so many dead in the halls they couldn't keep up. They didn't fill the skies with the smoke from burning plague victims. But all that happened in the Worker's Paradise of China. And Italy had it pretty bad for 21st century Western Europe. And I personally know folk I work & play with every year who died. New York nursing homes became nightmares. I don't take this plague lightly. The dictators in places like California and Minnesota are a different problem. | ||
| Hootowl |
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| Sifo |
What up Sifo? Please avoid the personal insults. Some of us may be idiotic some times. It's not nice to call it out so mean spiritedly. I'm not even sure what the disagreement is. I guess the relative seriousness or magnitude of the China Virus threat? Not meant to be an insult, just pointing out a pertinent point. He consistently complains of the lack of scientific data, but when well done, published study confirms what doctors have been reporting anecdotally, and says that further study is needed, his response is that it's the exact kind of science that adds to fear. I'm sorry, but that is just plain stupidity. Much better to stick to the political pundits, right? They are sure to give you the straight scoop, right? Another great example... More bogus death reporting: https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/08/7year old_boy_in_georgia_died_from_covid19_media_leaving _out_key_details.html The headline is "7-year-old boy in Georgia died 'from COVID-19'? Media leaving out key details". They quote from this story, but omit this part "The boy had a seizure in response to the virus and became unresponsive, the Chatham County Coroner said, WTOC-TV in Savannah reported.". Sure, omit the part about Covid actually causing the seizure that lead to his death, and try to make the claim that his death was completely unrelated to Covid. Nice solid reporting there. Of course, there is the question of, can Covid actually cause seizures? Well, those who have paid more attention to medical science than political pundits might know it can. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC72129 43/
This was known back in May, if you haven't been hiding from those scary medical facts. Now let's all ignore medical science and get back to our collective stupidity... | ||
| Hootowl |
Tom, the unfortunate kid drowned during a seizure. Saying he died of covid is like saying the guy who smashed his truck into a telephone pole and died while shooing a bee out of his truck died from a bee sting. | ||
| Hootowl |
What I object to is the lumping of all deaths into covid deaths, regardless of the actual cause of death, as long as the corpse tests positive. The only person whom has died with covid, and whose death wasn’t blamed on covid, was George Floyd, and even then they misplace the blame. | ||
| Sifo |
BTW Blake, it's cute that you are all of a sudden concerned about personal insults in this thread.  Tom, the unfortunate kid drowned during a seizure. Saying he died of covid is like saying the guy who smashed his truck into a telephone pole and died while shooing a bee out of his truck died from a bee sting. But to hide the fact that the seizure was caused by Covid is 100% dishonest. That is what is being done in the American Thinker article. To do so with "Media leaving out key details" in the headline, is just beyond the pale. Conservatives have really jumped the shark on this one, and discredited themselves just as the global warming alarmists have. The irony of looking to a climatologist for solid information is not lost on my BTW. Sorry, but I have to call out the liars, even if they are conservatives. | ||
| Sifo |
What I object to is the lumping of all deaths into covid deaths, regardless of the actual cause of death, as long as the corpse tests positive. The only person whom has died with covid, and whose death wasn’t blamed on covid, was George Floyd, and even then they misplace the blame. But it's always been done that way. There can be many contributing factors to the cause of death. Do you really thing that there are that many doctors who are going to be dishonest about what they see as the cause of death for one of their patients? You are really doing a disservice to a lot of people who have dedicated their lives to the science of medicine, and the saving of lives. | ||
| Hootowl |
“The irony of looking to a climatologist” He is not a climatologist. He is a computer scientist. He understands models, and he understands how to analyze data. You do yourself a disservice discounting what he has to say. | ||
| Hootowl |
“Do you really thing that there are that many doctors who are going to be dishonest about what they see as the cause of death“ They’re not the ones determining how the statistics are compiled. | ||
| Hootowl |
Also, thanks for not leaving. I value your contributions, and I value your opinions. | ||
| Glitch |
This was known back in May, if you haven't been hiding from those scary medical facts. In April my doctor told me to be paranoid and stay away from people. Since I've been on some hardcore antibiotics, I'm at a bigger risk. In June my neurologist told me about covid causing seizures. I've been in lockdown while in the city and its depressing. When we're at the property its best cause we're away from pretty much everyone. Ann's aunt Nene died with covid, she had a lot of issues and has been going down the past year or so. That's why I say she died with covid not from covid, there's a difference. Hi Tom!  | ||
| Zane |
I've been working from home since January. I've got this whole social distancing thing down pat. Other than the odd motorcycle ride I don't leave the house. Today I did 3 weeks worth of laundry. There was 1 pair of socks and no long pants. I don't even know where my dress shoes are at. I could get used to this. | ||
| Aesquire |
Generally speaking, every cause of death is heart failure. Sweden's basic reason they got hit lighter than other countries nearby is 2 fold. More personal space customs. They stand further apart than the French or Italians. Germans and Americans are also more comfortable at a greater distance. So that's only part of it. Social obedience. Until the wave of Islamic invasion, Sweden is a fairly monolithic culture, and when the government tells everyone there's a plague, so wash more and keep your distance, mostly they do. And since there's no mask orders there's no rebellion against them. Weird how that works. There's a serious metaphor in that. I'm curious what the infection rate has been in Sweden's immigrant community. It's not a subject the international press wants to talk about, a hot button issue that will get protests and threats. It's "funny" how the rebellious 'Muricans are trusted to behave vs. Ordered to Obey, depending upon the dominant State Party AND rural/urban population density. The "flatten the curve" idea, keeping in mind that was a FIFTEEN DAY idea, actually seems to have worked. That it was extended for months and that the Lefty Idiot Media failed to explain that flattening the curve also meant a rise after the flattening, as well as the Centrist Alarmist Pundits complaining about the wrong problems, is Political, not strictly medical. Rant On. Like a LOT of American government stupid, good starts often bog down in the sheer volume of bureaucracy, and the exploitation by the ambitious. Take Nixon's War on drugs, that morphed from a free drug abuse treatment program aimed at combating the narco-terrorism practiced against U.S. troops in Vietnam and urban Americans into a multi billion dollar abuse of power and vastly increased the profits, power, and violence of the Drug Crime organizations. Just as Prohibition made criminal organizations rich and powerful. Rant off. | ||
| Aesquire |
https://nypost.com/2020/08/09/is-there-a-cure-for- anti-trump-disease-devine/ Social Media companies censors life saving drug therapy BECAUSE A CERTAIN PERSON MENTIONED IT! And it looks like there might be another promising drug. But a certain person mentioning it means The Domestic Opposition will ban it. So let's hope... | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/08/bad_n ews_for_teachers_unions_new_uk_megastudy_shows_tha t_opening_schools_brings_almost_no_covid_risk.html I'm calling partial bull pucks on this editorial. Yes, children are at LESS risk than adults. That just means in a group of the same size that fewer children will die than adults. But it doesn't mean children won't die. And to be brutally honest, that's been one of the few good things about the 2019 Chinese plague. It would be More horrid if kids were at high risk as has been the case with other killer pandemics. And opening the schools DOES pose a greater risk to the teachers. Especially the older ones, since risk of dying goes up almost exponentially as you get older. And while children typically have incredible immune systems, adults do not. As some pundits have pointed out, if you were designing a plague to improve the demographic of China, from the viewpoint of the Dictatorship, you'd have a hard time doing better than Covid-19. And if you're a right wing Darwinist, keeping public schools closed reduces the Leftist Indoctrination time children are exposed to. ( assuming their parents don't have CNN on 24/7 ) I have mixed feelings. I'm pro teacher by principle. I'm unrepentant counter revolutionary. So it might be best, in the long run, to delay reopening public schools... Indefinitely? | ||
| Blake |
I think in total therer have been under 100 child deaths from the China virus so far in America. IIRC, the CDC estimates 600 died during the 2017/18 flue season. We don't shut all schools during bad flu seasons, just those warranting it, and then only for a week or two. Many Euro nations have come to the same conclusion, that schools should open. There's so much more to that issue than risk of serious illness. If nobody is home to look after the kiddos, its unwise as it can be to leave them there unattended. | ||
| Blake |
Sifo, I'm asking nicely. We had a flare up. My approach is to let such flare-ups self settle, as they usually do. I've learned that the hard way over 22 years of doing my best to look after the place. You keep stoking the fire bro. Mean and hateful is no way to go through life. Nothing wrong with disagreement. If you can't discuss cordially as among friends, better to take a break. I ran across a good rule once: Treat others as you'd like to be treated. I'm fixing to update my chart. Texas is depressing me. Houston is bad, the home of George Floyd, violent felon who died on the street full of fentanyl and meth after asking to be allowed to lie on the ground instead of sit inside a police SUV, where he'd already begun saying that he couldn't breath. Lot so continual protesting for weeks there, big crowds. Gee, how curious that it's see an outbreak after that. Sure, Memorial Day too. But Houston is the only large metro area in Texas where new cases are not declining. Anyway, stay tuned for the updated China virus death chart. | ||
| Blake |
Charts    | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/08/cor onavirus-in-one-state-84.php Here's a biased spin on the plague in Minnesota. Not saying it's false, "biased spin" is, today, when CNN and Disney etc. are full of outright falsehoods told with malice, actually high praise. Anyhoo... I'll just point out the obvious ( if you bothered to learn 20th century history ) parallels between the Minnesota legislature giving "temporary" emergency Powers to their beloved Leader & https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire As to the OTHER panic story of the Moment. https://www.startribune.com/utter-disaster-allowin g-sturgis-rally-to-go-on-puts-nation-at-risk/57200 8672/ As a cynic, this seems like a perfect experiment to determine how false, or true, the Media Panic Factory reporting on Covid-19 really is. In 2-4 weeks there "should be" if the Party Propaganda Arm is correct, a noticeable surge of dying patients who attended the annual event. Or a minor increase if not. ( no increase at all would be extremely unlikely ) Or, long term, if you can figure long term demographic shifts, ( young people don't learn to ride or drive as much, but live in a "connected" isolation from real life ) and economic curves, ( motorcycles are expensive toys ) the sales of cruiser bikes should indicate if Sturgis 2020 was a suicidal stupidity or a simple return to normal. | ||
| Aesquire |
https://thefederalist.com/2020/08/10/new-study-fin ds-swedens-refusal-to-lock-down-saved-the-economy- without-sacrificing-lives/ I will again point out that the Swedes are more likely to practice Social distancing and obey intelligently suggested precautions than most Europeans and Public "schooled" Americans and Mexicans. A comparison of Mexico and Canada would be a good parallel. American numbers are suspect, and our incredible diversity between leftist Urban and centrist rural means Montana is as different from Delaware as Sweden is from Greece. Nevertheless, Covid-19 is a killer of the older people and medical personnel, thus should be respected as a real, legitimate crisis. If we do not learn if "flattening the curve" was a good, or bad, choice then all this year is utterly wasted. The Political insanity SHOULD be analyzed by the real world death numbers and curves, then the best reactions to pandemics widely known and reported. Yeah, good luck with that utopian dream. | ||
| Blake |
Here's the same plot as above, except with the new Texas dataset. Notice how the beginning of the surge now correlates even better with the mass protests that started in the last weekend of May and went on during all of June. If I counted accurately May 29th, the first day of mass protests corresponds to day #71 in the following plot, from 2 to 3 weeks prior to the beginning of the surge in death rate.  | ||
| Tpehak |
The protesters spread the virus. | ||
| Sifo |
Sifo, I'm asking nicely. We had a flare up. My approach is to let such flare-ups self settle, as they usually do. I've learned that the hard way over 22 years of doing my best to look after the place. You keep stoking the fire bro. Mean and hateful is no way to go through life. Nothing wrong with disagreement. If you can't discuss cordially as among friends, better to take a break. I ran across a good rule once: Treat others as you'd like to be treated. I'm sure that's what you had in mind when you said I needed some "humble pie". http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show .cgi?tpc=4062&post=2693562#POST2693562 Funny how when I had asked nicely, many months ago, it was fine for folks to ignore that request. This is your good rule in action. |
