| Author | Message | ||
     Blake |
Comparing current state of the states...  | ||
| Crusty |
Hey; what happened to Vermont? | ||
| Aesquire |
https://nypost.com/2020/07/06/media-is-obsessed-wi th-covid-cases-but-death-rate-is-what-is-important / The most dangerous flaw in the modern news media is their now constant vulnerability of becoming deeply invested in a particular narrative at the very start of a large story, and then having the ensuing tunnel vision prevent them from adjusting their reporting as new facts become available. | ||
| Ratbuell |
Like I've been saying for months now - "case count case count case count...but where's the bodies?" The terror-press is ignoring the fact that LESS PEOPLE ARE DYING. Because, Opression. | ||
| Blake |
John, Vermont is at zero.  | ||
| Blake |
More charts... The ChiComm Plague is still out there.  | ||
| Ratbuell |
It is, yes...but it's getting weaker, and that is confirmed by multiple studies and doctors across the globe. See my chart above, posted July 3, from dailymail.uk - it shows the spike in case count, and the continued decline in fatalities. Globally, not just USA. But, the press won't let any of us hear any of that. Oh no...it goes against the control mechanism, and the fear, and the domination that's required before the election. | ||
| S2t_bama |
Are there any long term health effects from CoVID-19 other than death? If you avoid dying from it, will you be very likely to return to an active lifestyle as before infection? | ||
| Tpehak |
You will never be the same again once you are infected by coronavirus, even if you survived. That's why people are so afraid of it. (Message edited by TPEHAK on July 07, 2020) | ||
| Ratbuell |
Citations, please... Curious to see facts. | ||
| Hughlysses |
It seems the severe residual effects don’t necessarily apply to all COVID survivors; just the one who wind up in acute respiratory distress: https://www.healthline.com/health-news/what-we-kno w-about-the-long-term-effects-of-covid-19 | ||
| Ebutch |
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| Ratbuell |
...and the ones who go into acute respiratory distress, have co-morbidity / pre-existing conditions such as emphysema, lung cancer, or some other type of serious respiratory condition. Like most "covid dangers"...they are not, actually, from covid. Covid makes them WORSE, yes...but covid itself does not do the majority of the damage. It simply weakens the system, so these other conditions can get out of control. But with the current strain of covid being exponentially weaker than it was at the beginning, there are fewer people succumbing to other conditions...and far fewer people dying. See the article I linked on July 3 for details, again, from around the world. UK, Italy, and USA are specifically quoted in it. | ||
| 86129squids |
"It seems" A friend works in the Little Rock Baptist Hospital system as a chaplain, well over 30 years. Furloughed, but preparing to go back. IT SEEMS that the entire state is gonna max out ER beds. IT SEEMS this will also happen in many other states. YMMMV. Whatever "Real News" you may know, other than FAKE! let me know. If nunya trust anything like ABC/NBC/CBS/NPR/CNN/... fine. A friend I trust is trying to coax a pastor of his local Little Rock church, on Facederp to provide good information to his congregation as to the probability of infection. We went back and forth about how to say it. I said that it must be boiled down to one or three sentences. "Please look after your congregation, advise them wisely. Pray that your word and actions build your church. (Edited to protect the innocent by request.) (Message edited by Blake on August 06, 2020) | ||
| 86129squids |
F The GODDDamndest politics I"ve ever seen. I hope to see all of youn's one day on a good weekend ride. | ||
| Ducbsa |
My BIL has an in-law that spent several weeks in the hospital with Covid and has impaired lungs now. | ||
| Ratbuell |
What was his prior condition? I don't want to belittle the death of a family member, but I'm willing to bet (given the statistics) that there was an underlying health issue. See also the studies that show what a low percentage of people who get covid, actually a) exhibit symptoms, and b) actually require hospitalization if they do exhibit symptoms. You can also look here: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html and see the ratio of fatal cases, to RECOVERED cases - which is a stat that nobody talks about. Right now, the US has 131,455 fatalities...with 936,476 RECOVERED. Not long ago I posted here in this thread that we had a roughly 5:1 recovery rate worldwide. Now, that number is nearly 10:1. The same holds true for the global numbers - 543,535 dead and 6,416,665 recovered - actually, that's a better survival rate of 11:1. The virus is getting weaker. Or, we are learning through expanded testing, that there are FAR more cases out there than we suspected (something I have also been saying for months), and the overall mortality rate once we identify all the actual cases...is really no worse than anything else we encounter on a seasonal basis. Squids - it SEEMED like NYC was going to need a hospital ship, and a converted Javits center, to house all the hospitalized. They have one of the (if not THE) highest mortality rates of any state in the USA...and yet, they only sent a few dozen patients to Javits, and to the ship. If you listen to the press...it SEEMS like this is an extinction-level event and we need to stay home OR ELSE, and the entire human race is in danger. FACT is, here in Maryland, I have a number of friends and customers who are hospital workers...and it is fundamentally business-as-usual these days. There are some cases that require admission; there are a LOT of cases that are sent home with advice to care for their mild symptoms and avoid other people while they are sick, and those people suffer no more than a severe cold or flu set of symptoms. There are also many people (they temp-screen every person who goes through their doors) who don't even know they have it, the symptoms are so mild (or completely invisible). Those people..simply go home as well. One person out of a few hundred, dies from the normal flu. Right now, the rate shows that three, maybe four people out of a hundred are dying from covid. Yes, that sucks - death is bad, I don't argue that fact. But...extinction level event? Shut down society level event? Kill the economy level event? Nope. Isn't now, wasn't ever. Daily case counts continue to skyrocket...and daily fatality numbers continue to plummet. It is getting weaker. There are hotspots, and that will happen with any virus. Which goes to prove "one size fits all" so-called "solutions"....don't fit all. National shutdowns...aren't needed. Ruining the strongest economy we've had in decades, isn't needed. Treat the hotspots, and let the rest of the world a) see the TRUTH, and b) get back to WORK. I'm tired of this shit. Ignore the "news". Find the facts. For my money...follow the Hopkins link above. Pure, objective, factual NUMBERS. See for yourself. | ||
| Ebutch |
This is why nyc was so High in Deaths!  | ||
| Blake |
Joe: I haven't seen data showing the CCP-Virus getting weaker. The data I've seen shows the infected population getting a lot younger and treatments that are more effective. | ||
| Ratbuell |
Check the article I posted on July 3 - it references multiple studies (US, UK, Italy) where they are finding far fewer virus cells in the infected people. I'd have to dig to find the actual studies, but those finding jibe with the downturn in severe cases vs. asymptomatic or mildly-symptomatic cases. Either we're getting herd immunity; the virus is getting weaker; or both. Time to unlock. Protect the vulnerable, but lets get back to some semblance of normalcy already. Wait. That goes against the whole election-cycle plan. I forgot. I need to re-read my Alinsky to refresh my memory of which stages in the playbook are coming up. | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/07/isr ael-hit-by-second-coronavirus-wave.php Is it weaker? Or is the second wave younger people that just aren't dying because it's less deadly for a 30 year old than a 70 year old? Or both? That's possible. If a bioengineering weapon and not the result of the callous indifference of the CCP to their subject's death, then this was predicted. It looks like Bubonic plague is back in China too, so avoid people with sores visible. Avoid them like the plague, a cliche and sound advice. I doubt this will spread world wide. If it does, then nuking China may be necessary. Right now the Black Death ( so called by the darkening of the skin by festering sores ) is blamed on eating rodents. Thus the fault of rich Communist Party Leadership that owns the "wet markets" and doesn't care about sanitation. ( cuts into profits ) They ( the lying leaders ) say it's contained. Sure. ( maximum sarcasm. ) | ||
| Ratbuell |
https://dailycaller.com/2020/06/27/marc-siegel-cor onavirus-weaker/ Dr. Matteo Bassetti, director of the Infectious Diseases Clinic at the San Martino Hospital in Genoa, Italy, has noted a significant difference in recent patients versus those who came to his emergency room “very sick” in March and April. “In March and April, patients reached the emergency room very sick,” Basetti said, according to WebMD. “They had acute respiratory distress syndrome, multi-organ failure. They needed immediate oxygen, ventilation, and in two to three days, we had patients that died. But now, in the past four to five weeks, it’s been totally different. Patients of a similar age as the ones before, even very elderly patients, are not as sick as patients were just four to six weeks before. Dr. Scott Atlas, former chief of neuroradiology at Stanford University Medical Center and a senior fellow at Stanford’s Hoover Institution, explained that the sharp rise in COVID hospitalizations among younger people in Texas and other states could at least partially be because hospitals are testing everyone admitted, regardless of the reason. “I think that what is happening in Texas, I know that this is true, they are testing every person that gets hospitalized for Covid-19,” Atlas told Fox News’ Martha MacCallum earlier this week. “We know that the vast majority of people with COVID-19 who are young, particularly, are asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic. I question if those people who are positive for COVID-19 and being hospitalized for something else are classified as COVID-19 hospitalizations. That’s a big difference.” Combination. Weaker cases (even among elderly patients - a true, apples to apples comparison), alongside the same "if it looks like COVID, just call it COVID even if it's something different" classifications so hospitals can get more grant money because they're "treating more cases". Either way, the numbers don't change - more cases, fewer fatalities. | ||
| Ebutch |
A bigger DisEase  | ||
| S2t_bama |
"that's a better survival rate of 11:1" Ummm. Okay. According to YOUR analysis, there is a 1/11 chance of dying from this, and you think that's nothing to worry about? That's overall, not filtered for just weak old people. That sounds pretty damn dangerous to me. If there were 2 elevators in my building, one of which plummeted to the bottom killing the occupants 1 out of every 11 trips....I think I would take the stairs. I would certainly urge anyone I cared about to AVOID that risky elevator. By the way your analysis and mine are basically identical. I've parsed the numbers many different ways, and it looks to me like somewhere between 6-15% case fatality rate. That's freaking bad. AND, for some of the survivors, there will be long term health effects, as the link above pointed out. Not for all, of course. If we get to pick, then I would choose not to have the long term consequences. I don't think it works that way. Does it mean I hide in the basement with uncle Joe? Nope. I go to work every day wearing my mask, washing my hands, and keeping my distance from others as much as possible. I accept that it is now a more dangerous environment for me, and much more so for vulnerable populations. When I was a kid, I went to a family "get together" while suffering from a nasty cold. A week later my 70 year old aunt was in ICU with pneumonia. She was allergic to almost every commercial antibiotic. So her treatment was a nightmare. Maybe that's why I think it is my responsibility to avoid spreading this to at-risk people. I've suffered the guilt for that mistake before. I hope none of you have to deal with that. | ||
| Tpehak |
I'm wondering if it would be possible to produce concentrated coronavirus material, how would it taste like? Like chicken meat maybe? | ||
| Ebutch |
86129 US of FrigginA all You Think Is It can be Solved by Communism !!!!!!!!!!!!  | ||
| Ebutch |
86129 US of FrigginA  | ||
| 86129squids |
No, EBeeattch. At no time ever have I said, insinuated, or hinted that communism (yes, lower case c) would solve a Gdang thing. Yes I have studied philosophy, sociology, psychology, various histories and languages. Wait for it.... wait... I have a LIBERAL ARTS education. Hope that produced a good shart for ya. What in the heyull do you do for fun, except spew memes? | ||
| 86129squids |
"I'm wondering if it would be possible to produce concentrated coronavirus material, how would it taste like? Like chicken meat maybe?"      Hacked the TP, and the Badweb. Most of your posts provide little sense at all... some, none. WTF, dude. |
