| Author | Message | ||
     Tpehak |
LA has cleanest air in the world right now! | ||
| Tpehak |
Basically only 12% people on ventilator survive, 88% ventilated people dies. Wondering how many people required ventilator would survive without ventilator at all. | ||
| Willmrx |
Two things that will not be a threat to the world in three years. The Corona virus and what we use to call, The United States. Just a hunch. | ||
| Ducbsa |
I see that Trump has expressed concern about Georgia starting to open up too soon. Will the TDS bunch announce now in unison that Georgia should open up faster? Or will they say that there's only Deplorables there anyway (except for the Stacy Abrams voters!) | ||
| Ratbuell |
Wondering how many people required ventilator would survive without ventilator at all Um...none. If you're on a vent, it's because you are unable to breathe on your own. | ||
| Sifo |
That's a lot! The percentage of New York State adults who have overweight or obesity increased from 42% in 1997 to 62.7% in 2018. That's a lot. In addition, 5,412,000 people in New York or a staggering 36.2% of the population, have prediabetes. That's a lot too! This means 70% to 79% of men ages 55 and older are now classified as having hypertension. | ||
| H0gwash |
An extended lifetime of eating lots of salty sweet western diet and lack of exercise contributes to those conditions. So hard to say no to a whole lotta delicious. | ||
| H0gwash |
Hats off to Court for doing the work and losing the weight. In third world countries wealthy people are fat and poor people are skinny. In the US it is the other way around. | ||
| Tpehak |
That's because of food is not an issue in the USA anymore. | ||
| H0gwash |
water, flours, sugars and salt and emulsifyers and extenders and other chemicals are cheap and plentiful everywhere in the US, veggies and lean meat are scare in poor areas, as is the knowledge of how to prepare them. | ||
| Ratbuell |
Actually, it is. Good food is expensive. Crap food - preservatives, •••••• ingredients, tons of sugars - is cheap. Hence, poor people fat / well-off people healthy. | ||
| Ebutch |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jphFRebtHc&list=P LrgWFHgA0hq3Y7bwGBgriMW2Htv1OyIf9&index=2 | ||
| Pwnzor |
FIFTYS https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/22/tucker-carlson- science-shutdown-coronavirus/ | ||
| Gregtonn |
A third antibody test study, in New York, shows very similar results to the Santa Clara and LA studies. Time to put an end to the fear mongering, drop the charade and let the country go back to work. G | ||
| Court |
Greg: Point me toward it . .im interested in reading meow. Court | ||
| Gregtonn |
Court, There are several out there. This one is short and won't waste a lot of your time. https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2020/04/ 23/governor-cuomo-daily-coronavirus-update-with-fi rst-antibody-test-results G | ||
| Tpehak |
You can't shut business down in the whole country and then just go back to work like nothing happened. | ||
| Ourdee |
I've got a $35 Red Lobster Gift card and a $10 for the tip. I'm not eating in the parking lot! Open that door. Seriously, I haven't been saying lets open back up or lets stay closed. My mantra has been, What are we doing to open in 2 weeks? | ||
| Ratbuell |
Cuomo suggested that an infection rate of 13.9 percent statewide indicates that the death rate could be much lower than what is currently indicated. The state is currently reporting 263,460 confirmed positive coronavirus tests and 15,740 coronavirus deaths statewide, which would indicate a death rate of approximately 6 percent. But if the sample in the antibody testing is indicative of the total percentage of New Yorkers who have antibodies, that means as many as 2.7 million New Yorkers may have had the virus. That would indicate a statewide death rate of about 0.5 percent. Hmmm.....0.5 percent... The governor did indicate two caveats with that theory. One is that the official state death count only indicates deaths that happened in a hospital or a nursing home, and does not include coronavirus-related deaths that occurred in a home, which means the official death count is likely higher than that official number. The other caveat is that the data from the antibody testing is only preliminary. He forgot the third caveat - those deaths who he instructed medical personnel to list as COVID deaths, because they show "COVID-like" symptoms, without actually confirming the presence of the disease or the fact that COVID was indeed the cause of death, as opposed to a co-infection along with other conditions like emphysema, heart disease, etc. The governor says the hospitalization rate continues to go down, but he says he is concerned about the fact that the death toll and the number of new cases are remaining flat. How about - like EVERY report on this damned virus - we publish some SURVIVOR / RECOVERED numbers? All we get is "confirmed / hospitalized / dead"... | ||
| Sifo |
FIFTYS https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/22/tucker-carlson- science-shutdown-coronavirus/ I'm a bit non-judgmental on the severity of the response in the US. Our leaders were suck into a situation where they are damned if the do, and damned if they don't, on policy decisions where there was limited solid information (that's still largely the case) and they had to weigh the value of human lives. I'll say it again, I'm glad I don't have to make that decision. Tucker Carlson, IMO would do well to pay better attention to his supporting material that he links to. Comparing NY to SD, straight up, is pretty ludicrous. They are completely different animals. I'm also not sure how "lockdown" is being defined. I know AR in included in the non-lockdown states, yet my wife was unable to visit her mom in Mountain Home, AR when we were put off work on March 13. They just weren't allowing visits in nursing homes. Her mom passed away last week, and we can't have a funeral service right now. Clearly the "non-lockdown" states are still doing some pretty strong mitigation measures. Have some states gone overboard? Clearly they have. I broke the law today and visited my mom, 6 miles down a country road. We only have 8 cases in our county, so I'm not too concerned. Detroit is a different story, yet we are the same to our governor. This point makes me very happy that we aren't having D.C. manage all of the mitigation. There clearly needs to be a balance. I would guess the old 80/20 rule would more or less apply. You can probably be 80% effective with about 20% of the effort. The next 20% effectiveness comes at a high price. To argue that mitigation does nothing, is senseless though. Would you be happy having major surgery and find that your surgeon won't be wearing gloves, mask, and sterile clothing? Instruments that haven't been sterilized? Nobody would be happy with that, but that's the equivalent of what some are arguing, Carlson included. What he linked to in his article paints quite a different picture though... https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/04/22/there-is- no-empirical-evidence-for-these-lockdowns/ This article makes it clear that not all states or countries are comparable. Even so he missed the mark a few times. It's handy that he's using data from worldometers. It makes it easy to see were things may have gone since his writing.
So he does acknowledge that the non-lockdown states are doing mitigation. Again, I'm unclear on what a formal lockdown actually is. I doubt there is a stark, black or white difference. He goes on...
THAT, seems to be a fair and measured statement in my mind. We simply don't have the data to say exactly what the best balance is. Being extreme, either direction seems disastrous though. He does at least define the non-lockdown states.
I notice they are all "fly over" states. Mostly quite rural. I don't think there's any more mystery why they have fared better than NY, just as my county in MI has fared better than Detroit, even though we share the same mitigation rules. There shouldn't be much mystery there.
No doubt true, just as my county has done better than Detroit. I would advocate that more urban areas probably need stronger mitigation measures then rural areas. Does that not make more sense than going by state borders? I've not heard of any state governors doing such a thing though. I'm sure politics plays heavily into why not. He goes on to discuss some of his modeling. Oh, that word!
It's really a shame that mitigation strategies are defined as binary in his model. They are anything but binary in the real world. Better than nothing though.
He does claim to have made adjustments for the geographic differences in states, but given the current state of data on this issue, I can't see having a high confidence level in those adjustments. Bottom line, doing something (social distancing) will give good bang for the buck when compared to the last 20% measures (can't sell a garden hose!).
I found this part quite interesting Sweden seems to have become the poster child for those advocating doing nothing. It seems that isn't Sweden's strategy at all according to this author. It's nice have the snapshot of 1,309 cases per million (Yes "confirmed cases") and 139 deaths per million. How have they fared in the 6 days since? 1,659 cases per million and 200 deaths per million. About a 27% increase in cases and about a 44% increase in deaths over the past 6 days. Is that good? I guess that depends on where you set the bar.
They are still 23rd among Europe in cases, but have climbed to 9th in deaths. Hard to say what that means from a 6 day snapshot, but climbing in any ranking isn't a stellar example of success IMO. Still, it depends on the value you are going to put on a human life. I'm glad that's not my job.
In my mind, this is some of the most crucial points to understand. S. Korea was on top of this right away, and managed to balance the economy and life value far better than pretty much any country in the world. And not by slim margins either. Trump had it right when he shut down travel from China early. Those who promoted the Chinese New Year, St. Patrick's Day festivities, and Mardi Gras failed miserably. Since then, all have a wide range of good and bad ideas. I don't fault the bad ideas in this too much. There are few examples to follow in the modern world for this sort of thing. It seems crystal clear though, that mitigation, as early as possible, does make a HUGE difference though. There's a lot from that article that I skipped over. It's a good article that's worth the read. Far better than Carlson's take on it IMO. | ||
| Sifo |
NY (state, not the city) has 1,063 deaths per M. So far. It's far from over. Extending that across the country would give over 350,000 deaths. Do we really want to set the bar for performance there? | ||
| Blake |
It looks likely that NY got slammed, because NYC metro area was essentially broadcast seeded with virus by people returning from N. Italy and China as well sabotaged by the NYC mayor and the state health director telling everyone to go out on the town and ride the subway, no worries. | ||
| Blake |
Blaming obesity on food is like blaming atrophied muscles on the couch. Nobody NEEDS to drink soda pop or beer, water is perfectly fine. I don't care what food you eat. If you overeat and don't exercise, you'll get obese. And what is this talk about rich people being thin? Got any data to back any of that up? | ||
| Aesquire |
Per Babylon Bee translation chart, you are... https://babylonbee.com/news/infographic-common-cov id-19-talking-points-and-what-they-actually-mean | ||
| Court |
Thank you Greg | ||
| Court |
Well ..... that IS scary ! Now I’m gaining a sense for your state of alarm. (Message edited by Court on April 23, 2020) | ||
| H0gwash |
I'm not blaming deliciousness itself, but rather the difficulty in saying no to it. I agree that sensible portions of deliciousness is a good strategy for weight management. I have had to keep reducing my dinner plate size since you can probably imagine that someone with the handle of H0gwash is not the skinniest. I don't have hard data at my fingertips on obesity and poverty in the US and abroad, I've just been tracking it informally over the past years. Since you've asked, it seems American Diabetes Association seems to substantiate this trend. CDC does not seem to see such a strong correlation though. | ||
| Ourdee |
With the curve being managed, how do you get a person with just a job to go back to work for less money. Correct, you stop handing out money. | ||
| Sifo |
Well ..... that IS scary ! Now I’m gaining a sense for your state of alarm. Yep, it's easy from the cheap seats. | ||
| Tpehak |
One coronavirus infected person dies each 20 seconds in USA. |
