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| Ratbuell |
Pay attention though - the COVID numbers above are GLOBAL. Flu numbers are USA ONLY. And flu season isn't year-long... And, now that people are aware of COVID, I don't see it growing at the huge rate it did before anyone had a clue what it was or where it came from. I still hold to my belief that the disease doesn't merit the hype, and the manufactured terror. It just doesn't measure up from the numbers I've seen. | ||
| 86129squids |
I hope you're correct, Joe. Take it all with a grain of salt, a tablet of vitamin C, a zinc pill, maybe a curcumin/turmeric capsule. Wherever anyone here gets their info, I'm speaking with my dear sister daily. | ||
| 86129squids |
"I wish to become like a great tree, shading all beings." Yamada Roshi And, I love this thing. Found at a local AMVETS, not sure why anyone would give it away.  | ||
| Sifo |
Pay attention though - the COVID numbers above are GLOBAL. Flu numbers are USA ONLY. And flu season isn't year-long... And, now that people are aware of COVID, I don't see it growing at the huge rate it did before anyone had a clue what it was or where it came from. I still hold to my belief that the disease doesn't merit the hype, and the manufactured terror. It just doesn't measure up from the numbers I've seen. Trust me, I'm paying attention. Yes, those Covid numbers were global. Doesn't matter much though, I'm talking about the death rate, not the number of deaths. Let's do it with US Covid numbers then. At the moment, Johns Hopkins shows 62,086 confirmed cases and 869 deaths. That means about 1 death for every 71 confirmed cases. Your US flu numbers give us one death for every 1,652 cases. That puts Covid at 23 times more deadly than the flu. Right in line with what I'm finding claimed. Of course, most of those Covid cases haven't had a resolution yet. More of them may likely die. Take a look at the graph. That's current US data from John's Hopkins. Their chart doesn't quite keep up to date though. It shows we've doubled the cases in 4 days though. Assuming the Deaths track with cases, doubling 5 more times will give us about 28,672 deaths. At the current rate of infection, that should be in about 3 weeks. Of course hospitals would be hopelessly swamped with the dying, so the mortality rate would likely go up dramatically. This is why I keep saying "do the math".  I do see hope though. If the lock down on non-essential business, and increased social spacing is effective, we may see a dramatic slow down in the infection rate. The bad news on that though is that there is pretty much a 10-14 day incubation period. It varies in a bell curve shape, but the bulk are in that window. That means that even if we stopped the spread, 100% today, there's a 10-14 day bunch already in the queue. That would be a doubling of infections about 3 times. That's pretty much a best case scenario as I see it. The problem is that it's almost impossible to completely stop a virus where there is no herd immunity. Even you knock the infection rate way down, it's going to spread. Your flu numbers show that it hits about 1 in 8 or 9 people in the US. That's with flu shots and people who may have been exposed to that strain previously. We don't have any of that for Covid 19. So, I'm just curious... What would ever make you think that the infections from Covid 19 won't be AT LEAST as bad as the flu? | ||
| Aesquire |
Bourbon prevents Covid-19 ! Might be true, might not. Dare you risk it? | ||
| Sifo |
Might as well play it safe! | ||
| Whisperstealth |
>>*Bourbon prevents Covid-19 ! >>>Might be true, might not. Dare you risk it? Hella funny! At least I think so. I've been sober for 12+ years and can laugh at those kinds of jokes. However, it does bring to mind the idiot couple in Arizona who overdosed on chloroquine... | ||
| Pwnzor |
I'm sure if you rub bourbon all over your body it will kill any germs you may have, including the covidien virus | ||
| Hootowl |
Most bourbons are 40-45 percent alcohol. Needs to be at least 60, from what I understand, to act as a disinfectant. | ||
| Ourdee |
Alcohol stops it from infecting but does not instantly kill it. I ordered 5 liters of lab grade 99.9% alcohol today. I want it in a spray bottle for when I go to the gas pump, or pick a cart out of the coral. | ||
| Gregtonn |
I'm talking about the death rate, not the number of deaths. Seriously Tom, you need to take some basic math classes. It has been shown that many people who are infected have little or no symptoms. Without knowing the total number infected your "death rate" figures are pure BS. G | ||
| Sifo |
Without knowing the total number infected your "death rate" figures are pure BS. Wrong. You still get a ratio of those confirmed infected according to testing standards vs. deaths. All you have to do is understand what it represents to have meaning. Same is true of flu BTW. Just a fact. | ||
| Sifo |
BTW Greg. Why be insulting. You've done that to others too. It adds nothing. | ||
| Hootowl |
In this case, symptoms can be so mild that people don’t seek medical care. Couple that with limited testing, and you vastly undercount the infected. If the denominator only contains people who got tested, the stats are skewed. That's all Greg is saying. | ||
| Ratbuell |
The key word is CONFIRMED cases. They're telling people who are asymptomatic to NOT GET TESTED, in order to preserve test kits. So, for people who never show symptoms...are they healthy? Or did they have the virus and simply healed themselves? How do we know? I'll ask yet again - how many people get Covid-19. Show zero symptoms. Never get tested. NEVER show symptoms. And simply...heal? We know those people are out there because we know that even symptomatic carriers have a 14 day asymptomatic window. How many of them HEAL in those 14 days? What does that do to the percentages? Again - look at the cruise ship. "Global" (for that sample group) testing. Extremely low death rate for the population. Your numbers quote deaths-per-SYMPTOMATIC-case. I think the more realistic numbers are deaths-per-POPULATION, since we'll NEVER know how many people truly have the virus, since so many simply never show symptoms before they self-heal. If its as contagious as they say it is - as all this hype and terror makes it out to be - then that tells me there HAVE to be more people catching it. Exponentially more. If every person with it, gives it to 3 more people...and it's SO deadly...where's the bodies? Without global, every-single-person, testing...we'll never know what the true ratio is. So, I look at 869 deaths out of 329 million Americans....and I don't freak out. Admit it - there's NO WAY we shut the door on this thing before it got into our nation. And if it is supposedly SO CONTAGIOUS that every person with it, gives it to three more people, there's no way only 62,000 out of 329 MILLION people have caught it. Not possible. There HAVE to be people out there who've had it...and beat it, without ever knowing they had it. And if the numbers are true...each one of them, gave it to three other people in the process of not getting sick. It's either not that contagious...or it's not that deadly. Or both. But again, until we have 100% testing, we'll never know. I...choose not to live in abject fear. I'm washing my hands more...but I'm not hiding. I'm not stockpiling supplies or toilet paper. I'm not stockpiling ammunition in preparation of the zombie apocalypse. I'm living my life just like before. My income has taken a shit because everyone ELSE appears to be living in abject fear...but that's about it. And, my commute is a lot easier these days. Covid-19: 869 deaths out of 329 million Americans. Influenza: 23 THOUSAND deaths out of 329 million Americans. Which are you more afraid of? Do you live in abject fear of influenza? Why not? It has killed over twenty-five TIMES more Americans than this horrible, shut-down-the-globe, Covid-19 has...if you look at deaths-per-population, THAT's where your fear should be. But we all know...none of us shut down businesses, restaurants, or governments...over the flu. Which is, supposedly, LESS contagious but has killed 25 TIMES as many people in our country. And that's WITH known antibodies and innoculations. Less contagious. Known, and readily-available, medications. Still kills 25 times more people. Perspective. How much is hype? How much is actual medical danger? And, the bigger question....WHY? Why is the MSM hyping this so much? Why is the globe pushing this narrative so hard? What ELSE is going on in the world, that they want the spotlight off of? (Hint: take a look at Pelosi's attempted stimulus bill and you'll get an idea). I'm a skeptic, and a free thinker, from a medical family. This whole picture doesn't add up. Step back and take it ALL in - the politics, the election, our China policy (trade), our NoKo policy (military), the return of Nationalism around the globe (Brexit, the closing of more and more borders to "free immigration" and the crimp that puts in the plans of Islamic spread)...put ALL the pieces in view. The numbers...and the timing...they just don't add up to me. All of a sudden, we're crashing Western Civilization over something that's more contagious (supposedly) and more deadly (supposedly) than a common seasonal flu...but it is hurting and killing exponentially FEWER people than the flu, which we already have medication for? It don't add up. | ||
| Hootowl |
However, as a comparison to the flu, which also only represents tested cases, the number is valid. | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/03/24/c oronavirus-chloroquine-poisoning-death/ However, it does bring to mind the idiot couple in Arizona who overdosed on chloroquine... I know folk that use Horse liniment to ease muscle aches. The drugs given to dogs and cats, etc. Are the same, usually, But Not Always, as the human versions, but there isn't the same rules on purity and quality control. However, the poison used to clean your fish pond isn't designed to be safe for animal use. You also don't eat bath bombs. Or wipe your eyes, or butt, with chlorine wipes. Oh, if you've called me a fascist, Jew,( thinking it's an insult, and why do you so think? ) or Satanist, feel free to wipe your butt! I'll vicariously enjoy your inflammation. But even haters and jerks don't deserve screaming blindness. So Do Not put chemicals in your Eyes! ( unless prescribed by a doctor ) This public service message brought to you by the Society of Annoyed by Idiots, why Isn't Darwinism working? International. | ||
| Aesquire |
As to using zinc products, and other Over The Counter Medication to try and cheat the Reaper... I remember when many zinc cold remedies were blamed for side effects, like loss of sense of smell. I don't use "cold relievers" so haven't tried to research their use and safety. These things are Not Harmless! Since I don't have formal training, ( relatives in the business don't count ) I've refrained from comment, but since the Darwin Award count has begun, & I kinda like you guys, here goes. Yes, some OTC meds may help. But all have side effects, and folk with high blood pressure and respiratory diseases can be seriously injured or killed by taking large, or even normal doses of some of them. RTFM! Taking daily prophylactic doses of Y might help you not get the disease, and might not hurt you. But most of these drugs that are meant to ease Cold symptoms warn against use for more than short term temporary relief. So it might hurt you! There's a reason allergy sufferers are prescribed a whole different kind of drugs to help them, and not Cold Meds. As to which ones work? That's a good question. Did you see it on TV? Was it a doctor, an actual specialist? Or does he sell crap on tv? ( finger pointed at Redacted! You know who I mean ) Oh! A YouTube video! Board certified foot doctor? ( not bad ) Survivalist prepper? ( not good ) Televangelist? ( not good at all ) Nancy Pelosi? ( run!!! ) You get the idea. I can't stop you from applying your own thoughts on credibility, nor do I want to, in fact, be extra cynical, please! Consider the source. Read the darn pamphlet that comes with the drug. Check for "contraindications" aka "don't, if", and side effects. ( blood pressure, etc. ) Don't panic. Towel! | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.breitbart.com/news/blood-pressure-meds -might-increase-covid-19-infection-risk-studies-sa y/ Some stuff might help...Some might hurt... | ||
| Whisperstealth |
RD, Where did you order the alcohol and how much did it cost? | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/03/25/deling pole-coronavirus-peter-hitchens-is-right/ The political news in the UK is a bit down the slippery slope from us towards authoritarian rule. But not far. So you might want to see the future in their tribulations. | ||
| Fb1 |
Ratbuell: This whole picture doesn't add up. No, it sure doesn't. Great post. | ||
| Ratbuell |
From the Delingpole article: The overreaction to the coronavirus pandemic will cause far more long term damage to our culture, our economy and our civilisation than anything the disease manages to achieve. | ||
| Ourdee |
RD, Where did you order the alcohol and how much did it cost? Ebay $9.99 . There are still a bunch of people selling it for under $13.00 with free shipping. | ||
| Whisperstealth |
RD, Thanks! | ||
| Ourdee |
welcome | ||
| Sifo |
In this case, symptoms can be so mild that people don’t seek medical care. Couple that with limited testing, and you vastly undercount the infected. If the denominator only contains people who got tested, the stats are skewed. That's all Greg is saying. Well, Greg is saying it's useless data. If you care about an exact ratio of all infections to all deaths, then yes it's skewed, but still not useless. But that's not even what this is about. It's about the number of confirmed cases (we have been tracking those numbers) to the number of deaths. From tracking that, you can see the growth in the number of confirmed cases. Knowing the rate of growth of confirmed cases gives a very good idea of the rate of growth of deaths. When the number of confirmed cases doubles, the number of deaths is going to follow that same curve, unless something changes in the care given. This is what epidemiologists do. They almost never have exact knowledge of infection of a global population. I'll ask yet again - how many people get Covid-19. Show zero symptoms. Never get tested. NEVER show symptoms. And simply...heal? We know those people are out there because we know that even symptomatic carriers have a 14 day asymptomatic window. How many of them HEAL in those 14 days? What does that do to the percentages? Again - look at the cruise ship. "Global" (for that sample group) testing. Extremely low death rate for the population. The Diamond Princes is an exception to that. We do know the exact number of infected from the entire population. That entire population also got good care, so their death rate should not be skewed negatively because of an overrun care system. So what do we know about the death rate there? It comes in at 1.4%. Damned if that's not right in the range that epidemiologists are saying we are seeing elsewhere. It's almost like they know what the hell they're talking about. How many didn't get infected tells us little. They were quarantined from each other in an artificial environment. That's nothing like passing a virus in an open society. Your numbers quote deaths-per-SYMPTOMATIC-case. Yes they do. It gives you predictive abilities to know that when the number of symptomatic cases rises to "x", the number of deaths will likely be "y". Isn't that important? It also gives us the ability to know that we are getting a doubling of symptomatic cases around every 5 days right now. That gives us the predictive ability to know that deaths will also rise accordingly. I think the more realistic numbers are deaths-per-POPULATION, since we'll NEVER know how many people truly have the virus, since so many simply never show symptoms before they self-heal. If its as contagious as they say it is - as all this hype and terror makes it out to be - then that tells me there HAVE to be more people catching it. Exponentially more. If every person with it, gives it to 3 more people...and it's SO deadly...where's the bodies? Without global, every-single-person, testing...we'll never know what the true ratio is. So, I look at 869 deaths out of 329 million Americans....and I don't freak out. You are mixing so many things incorrectly that it's hard to sort through it. Deaths in the entire population is a matter of many factors. Key among them is how deadly it is when infected, how easily it's transmitted, care available, and efforts to stem the spread of the virus. To make matters worse, you are using a "total" number of deaths compiled at the start of a pandemic. I'm really not sure how to pick a more meaningless statistic, but there is a group here who are stuck on that. It's a number that's changing daily. Does that tell you anything? Using that logic, the virus is getting more and more deadly with every passing day. Does that make sense to you? Less contagious. Known, and readily-available, medications. Still kills 25 times more people. Perspective. Again, you are using a number that is changing daily for your comparison. That's like trying to predict the winner of a marathon based on the first 100 yards. It don't add up. It won't if you don't use the right numbers. | ||
| Ratbuell |
None of this adds up. I mean...the martial law...er, "state of emergency" decrees: - no buying gasoline except to put in the tank attached to a motor vehicle (generators? What generators?) - "shelter in place" - stay home - airlines and mass transit - shut down. You are where you will be, for the foreseeable future. Get used to it. - "ten people or less" - no right to assemble, no right to free speech, no entertainment - no sports, no TV studio audiences, no movie theatres, no bars, no restaurants. ZERO socialization. - all businesses shut down: lots of empty buildings full of merchandise, and zero income for the working class - "compassionate release" for criminals in jail "to keep them from getting sick" - putting them on the (deserted, defenseless) streets. - "cease and desist" / "catch and release" commands for local PD - "nonviolent" crimes like vandalism, assault, theft...take a name, hand them a court date, and assume they'll show up when and if the courts re-open. Which means...no deterrent for the criminals. - even MORE 2A infringements - gun stores closed, transfer of weapons and ammunition prohibited (and with all those stores left unprotected and vacant...no business owners can protect their businesses, no citizens can protect their families or property). - schools closed indefinitely. Because kids don't get mischievous when they get bored...and there's tons of unattended stores around, and all the adults are home because the police say 'stay home'. - Government bailouts - let's get started on socialism right now, eh? No voting or election required. Here's a check, citizen, now do what we tell you. Stay home, don't gather in groups, don't try and defend yourself, and you're not allowed to go to work and you're not allowed to have fun. - utilities and banks instructed not to cut off services, not to evict - thanks to government handouts. Socialism, no election required. And, no option for the public due to all businesses being shut down. - Tank the stock market. Retirement funds = shit. Investments = shit. People's reserves... = shit. So...workers HAVE to rely on the handouts. No election required. Who, exactly, is buying all that toilet paper ANYWAY? STILL? I mean, a day or three, sure...but for weeks on end? WTF? Where the hell is it all GOING? And...WHY toilet paper, of all commodities? It's not even a symptom of Covid-19. What about this election thing we have coming up? Democrats' asses are being handed to them...and now that's all completely off the radar. Convenient. Ditto Pelosi's eleventh-hour attempt to pork-up the stimulus bill with special interest crap - but what member of the public is watching or even aware of that, other than the few who know to look for it? The press certainly isn't saying anything about it... If you look at all the pieces on the chess board...if you look at the timing...this just doesn't add up. These pieces just don't fit together. This is not about medical issues. That's just the excuse we're being fed. | ||
| Whisperstealth |
No,in my opinion, the pieces don't add up for me either. I'm convinced the virus is intentional. I believe it was the first step in a multiple part attack. If this thing is as deadly as it's been made out to be, I believe we should start losing 1000+ per day. And soon. As in the next week or two. If that does not happen and happen for a good while, then it's just not as nasty as we have been told. At least that's my opinion... |
